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Help find previous message please

Paul S Anderson
 

Please help me find the message(s) or links about the meta study of Biochar impact in good soil vs. tropical soils.   

 

Thanks.

 

Paul

 

Doc / Dr TLUD / Paul S. Anderson, PhD

Exec. Dir. of Juntos Energy Solutions NFP

Email:  psanders@...       Skype:   paultlud

Phone:  Office: 309-452-7072    Mobile: 309-531-4434

Website:   www.drtlud.com

 


Biochar Experts Wanted - Thriving Earth Exchange

Tom Miles
 

Biochar Experts Wanted!

Opportunity to Volunteer with AGU’s Thriving Earth Exchange in Park City, Utah

https://thrivingearthexchange.org/project/parkcity-ut/

 

Evaluating the Effectiveness of Biochar for Carbon Sequestration, Soil Productivity, Water Retention, and Wildfire Risk Reduction

 

Description

Although wildfires are a healthy part of many ecosystems in the Intermountain West, the risk from catastrophic wildfires continues to increase in communities like Park City, Utah, east of Salt Lake City. Bordered to the west by the Wasatch mountain range, Park City is known and prized for its outdoor recreation, with almost 10,000 acres of open space that provides access to ski slopes and miles of mountain biking trails. Years of fire suppression across the landscape coupled with a hotter and drier climate, as well as the continued development of subdivisions along the wildland urban interface present the challenge of trying to protect communities from fire danger in a way that does not deplete stored carbon from the landscape.

Park City has one of the most ambitious climate goals in North America, with a goal to be net-zero in carbon emissions and running off 100% renewable energy by 2022 for its municipal operations and 2030 community-wide. In addition to mitigating greenhouse gas emissions, carbon sequestration and regenerative management of soils are key strategies to become a carbon neutral community.

 

Park City has been developing a biochar program to increase the amount of carbon stored in soils and vegetation. Biochar is a charcoal-like material that is rich in carbon. It is created by the burning of brush and wood debris in the absence of oxygen (pyrolysis), and can be used in carbon sequestration efforts as well as improving overall soil health.

 

Park City was among eight communities to recently receive a 2019 Leader in Community Resilience Program award from the National League of Cities (NLC). The award will support the city’s work in developing a biochar program. Thus far, Park City’s biochar program has consisted of incorporating biochar into soils during community tree planting events sponsored by the City in the summers of 2017 and 2018. In 2019 the program was expanded to create biochar from waste wood collected to maintain defensible space1 around built structures. During May of 2019 a public demonstration was held to teach the public about how biochar is made, where it can be used on the landscape, and how it can reduce fire danger locally. Approximately 64 cubic feet of biochar was created. An additional demonstration event is planned for October 2019.

The Sustainability Department at Park City sees two main objectives for a Thriving Earth Exchange project. First, the group would like to develop a methodology for measuring soil carbon, as well as soil productivity and water retention over time, in particular to track change as biochar is applied to Park City’s open spaces. The second major objective is to gain an understanding of how much carbon can be sequestered from turning excess wildfire fuels into biochar and applying to open spaces, and if different application methods are more effective at carbon sequestration.

 

This will require on-the-ground field measurements collected across the span of two years to cover two growing seasons. They wish to share the results of this project with other communities across the West facing similar wildfire risks.

1Wikipedia page on defensible space https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defensible_space_(fire_control)

 

Project Outputs:

Outputs include:

                     • A report that outlines ideal locations and effective techniques for biochar application

                     Recommendations on tools and processes for ongoing verification of soil carbon and overall soil health, preferably as citizen science

                     Guidelines that community members can use when doing sustainable landscape management in Park City’s defensible spaces

 

The geographic scale for this biochar project will be restricted to a couple of acres. Biochar will be reapplied to the location from which it was removed and to other open spaces. Park City’s NLC grant covers the production of the biochar.

 

About the Community

Darcy Glenn is an Environmental Analyst for Park City and will serve as the main point of contact for the project. She will be supported by Luke Cartin, Environmental Sustainability Manager, and

 

Celia Peterson, Sustainability Project Manager.

As the community leads, Darcy, Luke and Celia commit to serving as the liaisons between the scientist(s) and collection sites. They will help facilitate access to data collection and assist in overcoming local/political/logistical hurdles as they arise.

 

Scientist Wanted

The Sustainability team at Park City seeks a scientific partner to evaluate the carbon sequestration potential of biochar, and most effective application methods to increase Park City’s carbon sink. The scientist(s) will conduct field verifications and identify suitable locations for the application of the biochar. The scientific partner will work with the team for two growing seasons and be willing and able to participate in their next biochar demonstration event in October 2019. This will include periodic retesting where necessary, preparing maps and reports.

 

Thriving Earth Exchange asks all scientific partners to work with the community to help define a project with concrete local impact that they can contribute to as pro-bono volunteers and collaborators. This work can also position the scientists and communities to seek additional funding, together, for the next stage.

 

Timeline and Outcome

Development of methodology will begin as soon as possible (June 2019). Sampling and testing will take place throughout two growing seasons (June/July 2019 through September/October 2020).

 

June/July 2019- Identification of test plots, soil integration methodologies and amounts of biochar to be applied. Baseline measurement of soil carbon content, productivity and water retention. Application of biochar to test plots.

 

October 2019- Measurement of carbon content of soil after one application. Creation of and second application of biochar.

June 2020- Measurement of soil carbon, productivity and water retention. Possible biochar creation and application event.

October 2020- Final measurement of soil carbon, productivity and water retention. Delivery of guidelines for tools and methods for soil sampling. Delivery of final report on findings of effectiveness of soil incorporation methods and potential for ongoing carbon sequestration.

 

Desired Skills and Expertise

                     • Background in organic chemistry, environmental engineering, soil science, and/or forestry

                     • Experience with scientific sampling and study design strongly preferred

                     • Ability to translate difficult science terminology for a lay audience

                     Outdoor enthusiast preferred but not required

                     Adept problem-solver and able to effectively convey results in written form

                     • Willingness to connect science to local concerns

                     • Relaxed, easy going personality with a good sense of humor

                     • Strong listening and communication skills

                     Competent and open to new ideas

                     The scientist should be able to visit the community in-person

 

Collaborating Organization(s)

To apply, please contact Sarah Wilkins, Project Manager for AGU’s Thriving Earth Exchange at swilkins@...

 

 


Re: Burn critiques

Benoit Lambert <benoit.lambert7@...>
 

Albert, Kathleen,
Enjoyed all of your book. It gives hints of what biochar will become, its potential. Enjoyed to IBI interview too. Good work!
Benoit

Le 23 juin 2019 à 08:49, Albert Bates albert@... [biochar] <biochar@...> a écrit :

Under a separate thread, Hugh added a postscript that merits its own 
thread so I am opening that here. He wrote:

*PS: What did you think of "Burn". I found the second half almost 
impossible to read - just too far out there. I can feel the hindsight 
coming: Seeking to sequester atmospheric carbon, the human race paved 
all roads and made all tires with biochar. The resulting PM2.5 
annihilated all life forms that relied on lungs for oxygen 
exchange.........*

I agree that particulate matter in the air is a concern, and doubtless 
would have to be part of any revision process for engineering standards 
for roads and also a line of research in industry labs working on tires. 
The early results coming back from road replacement in Taipei are 
promising, however, showing that biochar reduces air pollution. I had 
those discussions with their principal road engineers in Marrakesh and 
Bonn but haven't found peer-reviewed papers on it (they may be in 
Chinese).

I am happy to tease out some of these issues from BURN, many of which we 
already considered but for the sake of the length and narrative were 
unable to discuss. The book's first draft was 99 chapters and more than 
twice as many words as ultimately published. A balance was struck 
between scientific exposition and general reading that was not likely to 
be completely satisfying to either audience. Apologies for that.

I am glad Hugh enjoyed the first half of the book. I also found the 
second half a snoozer and in need of more work, but deadlines....

Albert

-- 
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Burn critiques

Albert Bates
 

Under a separate thread, Hugh added a postscript that merits its own thread so I am opening that here. He wrote:

*PS: What did you think of "Burn". I found the second half almost impossible to read - just too far out there. I can feel the hindsight coming: Seeking to sequester atmospheric carbon, the human race paved all roads and made all tires with biochar. The resulting PM2.5 annihilated all life forms that relied on lungs for oxygen exchange.........*

I agree that particulate matter in the air is a concern, and doubtless would have to be part of any revision process for engineering standards for roads and also a line of research in industry labs working on tires. The early results coming back from road replacement in Taipei are promising, however, showing that biochar reduces air pollution. I had those discussions with their principal road engineers in Marrakesh and Bonn but haven't found peer-reviewed papers on it (they may be in Chinese).

I am happy to tease out some of these issues from BURN, many of which we already considered but for the sake of the length and narrative were unable to discuss. The book's first draft was 99 chapters and more than twice as many words as ultimately published. A balance was struck between scientific exposition and general reading that was not likely to be completely satisfying to either audience. Apologies for that.

I am glad Hugh enjoyed the first half of the book. I also found the second half a snoozer and in need of more work, but deadlines....

Albert

--
_BURN: USING FIRE TO COOL THE EARTH_
http://facebook.com/carboncascades

Global Village Institute for Appropriate Technology
Global Ecovillage Network • Gaia University
_http://gvix.org_
_http://albertbates.cool_
_http://medium.com/@albertbates_
_http://eco2.cool_

The Farm POB 90 Summertown TN 38483-0090 USA
931-964-4324 (o) • 52-1998-116-5532 (mex) • 931-242-3796 (usa) •
44-782-764-6237 (uk) • 13-867-154-171 (prc)
Facebook/WhatsApp/WeChat/LinkedIn/

‘_Hope is not a lottery ticket you can sit on the sofa and clutch,
feeling lucky. It is an axe you break down doors with in an emergency."_

—Rebecca Solnit

-------------------------


Re: Canada news

Tom Miles
 

Thanks for the apology Hugh

 

From: biochar@...
Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2019 9:47 AM
To: biochar@...
Subject: Re: [biochar] RE: Canada news

 

 

To the entire Biochar list and especially Kevin Chisholm, I owe an apology.

 

When I checked my emails mid-sleep cycle this morning, I encountered the exchange between Wayne Teel and Kevin Chisholm on what is appropriate for the list and what should be taken "off-line", with Wayne suggesting the heavy crude discussion be taken off-line. I attempted to respond to Wayne via the "Reply"  versus "Reply all" option, but did not realize the intended private communication, offered largely in jest but containing a kernel of universal truth, would travel back though his list ID and out to the world.

 

So, I am guilty of wasting everyone's time,

seeing humor in an exchange that was intended to be exclusively serious,

and having sub-optimal respect to Kevin's opinions.

 

For these transgressions, I offer a humbling apology.

 

- Hugh McLaughlin, PhD, PE

 

PS: I can't wait for the feedback on my dissing "Burn". I will be at the Biochar 2019 event and I am expecting to be "hoist on my own petard", and deservedly.

 

 

On Saturday, June 22, 2019, 10:49:19 AM EDT, 'Kevin Chisholm' kchisholm@... [biochar] <biochar@...> wrote:

 

 

 

Hi Hugh

 

If you stick to truth, fact, reality, and good science, then your opinions would be irrefutable also. J If you cannot refute my opinions and views, then you might wish to review your views of truth, fact, reality, and good science when we are in disagreement.

 

Ad hominem attacks are inappropriate and unprofessional. Please stick to truth, facts, reality, and good science when you contribute to a discussion. By doing so, the markets for biochar, and the benefits from it, will increase.

 

Thank you.

 

Kevin

 

From: biochar@... [mailto:biochar@...]
Sent: June 22, 2019 7:08 AM
To: 'Teel, Wayne - teelws' teelws@... [biochar] <biochar@...>; Hugh McLaughlin <hsmclaughlin@...>
Subject: Re: [biochar] RE: Canada news

 

 

Hello Wayne,

 

Good luck with Kevin when it comes to curbing his irrefutable opinions.

 

It is case of:

 

Never try to teach a pig to sing

It wastes your time and annoys the pig

 

Highest Regards,

 

Hugh McLaughlin, PhD, PE

 

PS: What did you think of "Burn". I found the second half almost impossible to read - just too far out there. I can feel the hindsight coming: Seeking to sequester atmospheric carbon, the human race paved all roads and made all tires with biochar. The resulting PM2.5 annihilated all life forms that relied on lungs for oxygen exchange.........

 

On Saturday, June 22, 2019, 5:18:16 AM EDT, 'Teel, Wayne - teelws' teelws@... [biochar] <biochar@...> wrote:

 

 

 

Kevin,

 

This is not a debate for the biochar list serve.  If you want further discussion just send me your email.  Mine is teelws@....

My goal in all this is to get carbon out of the air and back in the ground (or elsewhere as defined in Albert Bates and Kathleen Draper’s book Burn..)  The discussion about taking carbon out of the ground and burning it is for another place.

 

Wayne

 

From: biochar@... <biochar@...>
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2019 10:30 PM
To:
biochar@...
Subject: RE: [biochar] RE: Canada news

 

 

Hi Wayne

 

From: biochar@... [mailto:biochar@...]
Sent: June 20, 2019 7:00 AM
To:
biochar@...
Subject: [biochar] RE: Canada news

Then Trudeau turned around and signed an order to construct the pipeline that will carry Canadian tar sands to the Pacific Coast to be loaded in prime salmon, whale and timber habitat.

# Firstly, the pipeline will be transporting heavy crude oil, NOT “tar sands”. Secondly, loading of such heavy crude oil is a very safe operation. Do you have any factual statistics showing the dangers to the environment associated with the loading of heavy crude oil?  

  Let’s not celebrate inconsistent foolishness too much.

# Do have any rational basis for making such a statement? If so, what is it?

  You can’t work toward Paris goals and export your pollution at the same time.

 # Canada is indeed working toward “Paris Goals”. What is the USA doing, in this regard? Note that the fuel per se is not the pollutant; it is only an “atmospheric pollutant, when it is burned to release its energy. It is the demand for energy from fossil fuels that causes CO2 increase in the biosphere. As long as the World consumes a given amount of energy, there will be a given market for energy from oil. Such oil from Canada will simply displace oil from other Oil Fields.

# Note that the USA is our largest Customer for our oil. You, and the USA have a reliable source of oil when you buy from us. If Trump starts a war with Iran, you will be very appreciative your reliable supply of oil from your “Friends in the North”.

Best wishes,

Kevin

Wayne

 

From: biochar@... <biochar@...>
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2019 12:43 AM
To:
biochar@...
Subject: [biochar] Canada news

 

 

This arrived from Lloyd Helferty of Canada yesterday.

 

Big News!

Canada's House of Commons has declared a national climate emergency

CTV News - 2 hours ago  (that was on Tuesday)

OTTAWA – The House of Commons has passed a motion declaring a national climate emergency, and supporting Canada’s commitment to meet the Paris Agreement emissions targets. Conservative MPs voted against the motion, but it still passed 186-63.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/canada-s-house-of-commons-has-declared-a-national-climate-emergency-1.4470804

 

Paul

 

 

Doc / Dr TLUD / Paul S. Anderson, PhD

Exec. Dir. of Juntos Energy Solutions NFP

Email:  psanders@...       Skype:   paultlud

Phone:  Office: 309-452-7072    Mobile: 309-531-4434

Website:   www.drtlud.com

 


Re: Canada news

Hugh McLaughlin
 

To the entire Biochar list and especially Kevin Chisholm, I owe an apology.

When I checked my emails mid-sleep cycle this morning, I encountered the exchange between Wayne Teel and Kevin Chisholm on what is appropriate for the list and what should be taken "off-line", with Wayne suggesting the heavy crude discussion be taken off-line. I attempted to respond to Wayne via the "Reply"  versus "Reply all" option, but did not realize the intended private communication, offered largely in jest but containing a kernel of universal truth, would travel back though his list ID and out to the world.

So, I am guilty of wasting everyone's time,
seeing humor in an exchange that was intended to be exclusively serious,
and having sub-optimal respect to Kevin's opinions.

For these transgressions, I offer a humbling apology.

- Hugh McLaughlin, PhD, PE

PS: I can't wait for the feedback on my dissing "Burn". I will be at the Biochar 2019 event and I am expecting to be "hoist on my own petard", and deservedly.


On Saturday, June 22, 2019, 10:49:19 AM EDT, 'Kevin Chisholm' kchisholm@... [biochar] wrote:


 

Hi Hugh

 

If you stick to truth, fact, reality, and good science, then your opinions would be irrefutable also. J If you cannot refute my opinions and views, then you might wish to review your views of truth, fact, reality, and good science when we are in disagreement.

 

Ad hominem attacks are inappropriate and unprofessional. Please stick to truth, facts, reality, and good science when you contribute to a discussion. By doing so, the markets for biochar, and the benefits from it, will increase.

 

Thank you.

 

Kevin

 

From: biochar@... [mailto:biochar@...]
Sent: June 22, 2019 7:08 AM
To: 'Teel, Wayne - teelws' teelws@... [biochar] ; Hugh McLaughlin
Subject: Re: [biochar] RE: Canada news

 

 

Hello Wayne,

 

Good luck with Kevin when it comes to curbing his irrefutable opinions.

 

It is case of:

 

Never try to teach a pig to sing

It wastes your time and annoys the pig

 

Highest Regards,

 

Hugh McLaughlin, PhD, PE

 

PS: What did you think of "Burn". I found the second half almost impossible to read - just too far out there. I can feel the hindsight coming: Seeking to sequester atmospheric carbon, the human race paved all roads and made all tires with biochar. The resulting PM2.5 annihilated all life forms that relied on lungs for oxygen exchange.........

 

On Saturday, June 22, 2019, 5:18:16 AM EDT, 'Teel, Wayne - teelws' teelws@... [biochar] <biochar@...> wrote:

 

 

 

Kevin,

 

This is not a debate for the biochar list serve.  If you want further discussion just send me your email.  Mine is teelws@....

My goal in all this is to get carbon out of the air and back in the ground (or elsewhere as defined in Albert Bates and Kathleen Draper’s book Burn..)  The discussion about taking carbon out of the ground and burning it is for another place.

 

Wayne

 

From: biochar@... <biochar@...>
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2019 10:30 PM
To:
biochar@...
Subject: RE: [biochar] RE: Canada news

 

 

Hi Wayne

 

From: biochar@... [mailto:biochar@...]
Sent: June 20, 2019 7:00 AM
To:
biochar@...
Subject: [biochar] RE: Canada news

Then Trudeau turned around and signed an order to construct the pipeline that will carry Canadian tar sands to the Pacific Coast to be loaded in prime salmon, whale and timber habitat.

# Firstly, the pipeline will be transporting heavy crude oil, NOT “tar sands”. Secondly, loading of such heavy crude oil is a very safe operation. Do you have any factual statistics showing the dangers to the environment associated with the loading of heavy crude oil?  

  Let’s not celebrate inconsistent foolishness too much.

# Do have any rational basis for making such a statement? If so, what is it?

  You can’t work toward Paris goals and export your pollution at the same time.

 # Canada is indeed working toward “Paris Goals”. What is the USA doing, in this regard? Note that the fuel per se is not the pollutant; it is only an “atmospheric pollutant, when it is burned to release its energy. It is the demand for energy from fossil fuels that causes CO2 increase in the biosphere. As long as the World consumes a given amount of energy, there will be a given market for energy from oil. Such oil from Canada will simply displace oil from other Oil Fields.

# Note that the USA is our largest Customer for our oil. You, and the USA have a reliable source of oil when you buy from us. If Trump starts a war with Iran, you will be very appreciative your reliable supply of oil from your “Friends in the North”.

Best wishes,

Kevin

Wayne

 

From: biochar@... <biochar@...>
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2019 12:43 AM
To:
biochar@...
Subject: [biochar] Canada news

 

 

This arrived from Lloyd Helferty of Canada yesterday.

 

Big News!

Canada's House of Commons has declared a national climate emergency

CTV News - 2 hours ago  (that was on Tuesday)

OTTAWA – The House of Commons has passed a motion declaring a national climate emergency, and supporting Canada’s commitment to meet the Paris Agreement emissions targets. Conservative MPs voted against the motion, but it still passed 186-63.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/canada-s-house-of-commons-has-declared-a-national-climate-emergency-1.4470804

 

Paul

 

 

Doc / Dr TLUD / Paul S. Anderson, PhD

Exec. Dir. of Juntos Energy Solutions NFP

Email:  psanders@...       Skype:   paultlud

Phone:  Office: 309-452-7072    Mobile: 309-531-4434

Website:   www.drtlud.com

 


Re: Canada news

Kevin Chisholm <kchisholm@...>
 

Hi Hugh

 

If you stick to truth, fact, reality, and good science, then your opinions would be irrefutable also. J If you cannot refute my opinions and views, then you might wish to review your views of truth, fact, reality, and good science when we are in disagreement.

 

Ad hominem attacks are inappropriate and unprofessional. Please stick to truth, facts, reality, and good science when you contribute to a discussion. By doing so, the markets for biochar, and the benefits from it, will increase.

 

Thank you.

 

Kevin

 

From: biochar@... [mailto:biochar@...]
Sent: June 22, 2019 7:08 AM
To: 'Teel, Wayne - teelws' teelws@... [biochar] ; Hugh McLaughlin
Subject: Re: [biochar] RE: Canada news

 

 

Hello Wayne,

 

Good luck with Kevin when it comes to curbing his irrefutable opinions.

 

It is case of:

 

Never try to teach a pig to sing

It wastes your time and annoys the pig

 

Highest Regards,

 

Hugh McLaughlin, PhD, PE

 

PS: What did you think of "Burn". I found the second half almost impossible to read - just too far out there. I can feel the hindsight coming: Seeking to sequester atmospheric carbon, the human race paved all roads and made all tires with biochar. The resulting PM2.5 annihilated all life forms that relied on lungs for oxygen exchange.........

 

On Saturday, June 22, 2019, 5:18:16 AM EDT, 'Teel, Wayne - teelws' teelws@... [biochar] <biochar@...> wrote:

 

 

 

Kevin,

 

This is not a debate for the biochar list serve.  If you want further discussion just send me your email.  Mine is teelws@....

My goal in all this is to get carbon out of the air and back in the ground (or elsewhere as defined in Albert Bates and Kathleen Draper’s book Burn..)  The discussion about taking carbon out of the ground and burning it is for another place.

 

Wayne

 

From: biochar@... <biochar@...>
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2019 10:30 PM
To:
biochar@...
Subject: RE: [biochar] RE: Canada news

 

 

Hi Wayne

 

From: biochar@... [mailto:biochar@...]
Sent: June 20, 2019 7:00 AM
To:
biochar@...
Subject: [biochar] RE: Canada news

Then Trudeau turned around and signed an order to construct the pipeline that will carry Canadian tar sands to the Pacific Coast to be loaded in prime salmon, whale and timber habitat.

# Firstly, the pipeline will be transporting heavy crude oil, NOT “tar sands”. Secondly, loading of such heavy crude oil is a very safe operation. Do you have any factual statistics showing the dangers to the environment associated with the loading of heavy crude oil?  

  Let’s not celebrate inconsistent foolishness too much.

# Do have any rational basis for making such a statement? If so, what is it?

  You can’t work toward Paris goals and export your pollution at the same time.

 # Canada is indeed working toward “Paris Goals”. What is the USA doing, in this regard? Note that the fuel per se is not the pollutant; it is only an “atmospheric pollutant, when it is burned to release its energy. It is the demand for energy from fossil fuels that causes CO2 increase in the biosphere. As long as the World consumes a given amount of energy, there will be a given market for energy from oil. Such oil from Canada will simply displace oil from other Oil Fields.

# Note that the USA is our largest Customer for our oil. You, and the USA have a reliable source of oil when you buy from us. If Trump starts a war with Iran, you will be very appreciative your reliable supply of oil from your “Friends in the North”.

Best wishes,

Kevin

Wayne

 

From: biochar@... <biochar@...>
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2019 12:43 AM
To:
biochar@...
Subject: [biochar] Canada news

 

 

This arrived from Lloyd Helferty of Canada yesterday.

 

Big News!

Canada's House of Commons has declared a national climate emergency

CTV News - 2 hours ago  (that was on Tuesday)

OTTAWA – The House of Commons has passed a motion declaring a national climate emergency, and supporting Canada’s commitment to meet the Paris Agreement emissions targets. Conservative MPs voted against the motion, but it still passed 186-63.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/canada-s-house-of-commons-has-declared-a-national-climate-emergency-1.4470804

 

Paul

 

 

Doc / Dr TLUD / Paul S. Anderson, PhD

Exec. Dir. of Juntos Energy Solutions NFP

Email:  psanders@...       Skype:   paultlud

Phone:  Office: 309-452-7072    Mobile: 309-531-4434

Website:   www.drtlud.com

 


Re: Canada news

ROBERT W GILLETT
 

You can have your cake and eat it, too. Trouble is, that when you do, you no longer have a cake.


On Fri, Jun 21, 2019, 10:30 PM 'kchisholm' kchisholm@... [biochar] <biochar@...> wrote:
 

Hi Wayne

 

From: biochar@... [mailto:biochar@...]
Sent: June 20, 2019 7:00 AM
To: biochar@...
Subject: [biochar] RE: Canada news

Then Trudeau turned around and signed an order to construct the pipeline that will carry Canadian tar sands to the Pacific Coast to be loaded in prime salmon, whale and timber habitat.

# Firstly, the pipeline will be transporting heavy crude oil, NOT “tar sands”. Secondly, loading of such heavy crude oil is a very safe operation. Do you have any factual statistics showing the dangers to the environment associated with the loading of heavy crude oil?  

  Let’s not celebrate inconsistent foolishness too much.

# Do have any rational basis for making such a statement? If so, what is it?

  You can’t work toward Paris goals and export your pollution at the same time.

 # Canada is indeed working toward “Paris Goals”. What is the USA doing, in this regard? Note that the fuel per se is not the pollutant; it is only an “atmospheric pollutant, when it is burned to release its energy. It is the demand for energy from fossil fuels that causes CO2 increase in the biosphere. As long as the World consumes a given amount of energy, there will be a given market for energy from oil. Such oil from Canada will simply displace oil from other Oil Fields.

# Note that the USA is our largest Customer for our oil. You, and the USA have a reliable source of oil when you buy from us. If Trump starts a war with Iran, you will be very appreciative your reliable supply of oil from your “Friends in the North”.

Best wishes,

Kevin

Wayne

 

From: biochar@... <biochar@...>
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2019 12:43 AM
To: biochar@...
Subject: [biochar] Canada news

 

 

This arrived from Lloyd Helferty of Canada yesterday.

 

Big News!

Canada's House of Commons has declared a national climate emergency

CTV News - 2 hours ago  (that was on Tuesday)

OTTAWA – The House of Commons has passed a motion declaring a national climate emergency, and supporting Canada’s commitment to meet the Paris Agreement emissions targets. Conservative MPs voted against the motion, but it still passed 186-63.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/canada-s-house-of-commons-has-declared-a-national-climate-emergency-1.4470804

 

Paul

 

 

Doc / Dr TLUD / Paul S. Anderson, PhD

Exec. Dir. of Juntos Energy Solutions NFP

Email:  psanders@...       Skype:   paultlud

Phone:  Office: 309-452-7072    Mobile: 309-531-4434

Website:   www.drtlud.com

 


Re: Canada news

Teel, Wayne
 

Hugh,

 

Yes, but I prefer to keep my exercise in futility out of the public eye.

 

I do prefer to keep my biochar in the ground.  Also I prefer not having so many roads and parking lots so we don’t need so much oil and so many tires.  My neighbors complained because of my objection to their using neonicotinoids as a seed coating for planting sweet corn, saying that without the coating voles were eating the seed.  I have not had voles eating my seed – perhaps too much biochar in the soil for vole comfort?  Any knowledge of vole avoidance through biochar application out there?

 

Wayne

 

From: biochar@... <biochar@...>
Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2019 6:08 AM
To: 'Teel, Wayne - teelws' teelws@... [biochar] <biochar@...>; Hugh McLaughlin <hsmclaughlin@...>
Subject: Re: [biochar] RE: Canada news

 

 

Hello Wayne,

 

Good luck with Kevin when it comes to curbing his irrefutable opinions.

 

It is case of:

 

Never try to teach a pig to sing

It wastes your time and annoys the pig

 

Highest Regards,

 

Hugh McLaughlin, PhD, PE

 

PS: What did you think of "Burn". I found the second half almost impossible to read - just too far out there. I can feel the hindsight coming: Seeking to sequester atmospheric carbon, the human race paved all roads and made all tires with biochar. The resulting PM2.5 annihilated all life forms that relied on lungs for oxygen exchange.........

 

On Saturday, June 22, 2019, 5:18:16 AM EDT, 'Teel, Wayne - teelws' teelws@... [biochar] <biochar@...> wrote:

 

 

 

Kevin,

 

This is not a debate for the biochar list serve.  If you want further discussion just send me your email.  Mine is teelws@....

My goal in all this is to get carbon out of the air and back in the ground (or elsewhere as defined in Albert Bates and Kathleen Draper’s book Burn..)  The discussion about taking carbon out of the ground and burning it is for another place.

 

Wayne

 

From: biochar@... <biochar@...>
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2019 10:30 PM
To: biochar@...
Subject: RE: [biochar] RE: Canada news

 

 

Hi Wayne

 

From: biochar@... [mailto:biochar@...]
Sent: June 20, 2019 7:00 AM
To: biochar@...
Subject: [biochar] RE: Canada news

Then Trudeau turned around and signed an order to construct the pipeline that will carry Canadian tar sands to the Pacific Coast to be loaded in prime salmon, whale and timber habitat.

# Firstly, the pipeline will be transporting heavy crude oil, NOT “tar sands”. Secondly, loading of such heavy crude oil is a very safe operation. Do you have any factual statistics showing the dangers to the environment associated with the loading of heavy crude oil?  

  Let’s not celebrate inconsistent foolishness too much.

# Do have any rational basis for making such a statement? If so, what is it?

  You can’t work toward Paris goals and export your pollution at the same time.

 # Canada is indeed working toward “Paris Goals”. What is the USA doing, in this regard? Note that the fuel per se is not the pollutant; it is only an “atmospheric pollutant, when it is burned to release its energy. It is the demand for energy from fossil fuels that causes CO2 increase in the biosphere. As long as the World consumes a given amount of energy, there will be a given market for energy from oil. Such oil from Canada will simply displace oil from other Oil Fields.

# Note that the USA is our largest Customer for our oil. You, and the USA have a reliable source of oil when you buy from us. If Trump starts a war with Iran, you will be very appreciative your reliable supply of oil from your “Friends in the North”.

Best wishes,

Kevin

Wayne

 

From: biochar@... <biochar@...>
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2019 12:43 AM
To: biochar@...
Subject: [biochar] Canada news

 

 

This arrived from Lloyd Helferty of Canada yesterday.

 

Big News!

Canada's House of Commons has declared a national climate emergency

CTV News - 2 hours ago  (that was on Tuesday)

OTTAWA – The House of Commons has passed a motion declaring a national climate emergency, and supporting Canada’s commitment to meet the Paris Agreement emissions targets. Conservative MPs voted against the motion, but it still passed 186-63.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/canada-s-house-of-commons-has-declared-a-national-climate-emergency-1.4470804

 

Paul

 

 

Doc / Dr TLUD / Paul S. Anderson, PhD

Exec. Dir. of Juntos Energy Solutions NFP

Email:  psanders@...       Skype:   paultlud

Phone:  Office: 309-452-7072    Mobile: 309-531-4434

Website:   www.drtlud.com

 


Re: Canada news

Hugh McLaughlin
 

Hello Wayne,

Good luck with Kevin when it comes to curbing his irrefutable opinions.

It is case of:

Never try to teach a pig to sing
It wastes your time and annoys the pig

Highest Regards,

Hugh McLaughlin, PhD, PE

PS: What did you think of "Burn". I found the second half almost impossible to read - just too far out there. I can feel the hindsight coming: Seeking to sequester atmospheric carbon, the human race paved all roads and made all tires with biochar. The resulting PM2.5 annihilated all life forms that relied on lungs for oxygen exchange.........

On Saturday, June 22, 2019, 5:18:16 AM EDT, 'Teel, Wayne - teelws' teelws@... [biochar] <biochar@...> wrote:


 

Kevin,

 

This is not a debate for the biochar list serve.  If you want further discussion just send me your email.  Mine is teelws@....

My goal in all this is to get carbon out of the air and back in the ground (or elsewhere as defined in Albert Bates and Kathleen Draper’s book Burn.)  The discussion about taking carbon out of the ground and burning it is for another place.

 

Wayne

 

From: biochar@...
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2019 10:30 PM
To: biochar@...
Subject: RE: [biochar] RE: Canada news

 

 

Hi Wayne

 

From: biochar@... [mailto:biochar@...]
Sent: June 20, 2019 7:00 AM
To: biochar@...
Subject: [biochar] RE: Canada news

Then Trudeau turned around and signed an order to construct the pipeline that will carry Canadian tar sands to the Pacific Coast to be loaded in prime salmon, whale and timber habitat.

# Firstly, the pipeline will be transporting heavy crude oil, NOT “tar sands”. Secondly, loading of such heavy crude oil is a very safe operation. Do you have any factual statistics showing the dangers to the environment associated with the loading of heavy crude oil?  

  Let’s not celebrate inconsistent foolishness too much.

# Do have any rational basis for making such a statement? If so, what is it?

  You can’t work toward Paris goals and export your pollution at the same time.

 # Canada is indeed working toward “Paris Goals”. What is the USA doing, in this regard? Note that the fuel per se is not the pollutant; it is only an “atmospheric pollutant, when it is burned to release its energy. It is the demand for energy from fossil fuels that causes CO2 increase in the biosphere. As long as the World consumes a given amount of energy, there will be a given market for energy from oil. Such oil from Canada will simply displace oil from other Oil Fields.

# Note that the USA is our largest Customer for our oil. You, and the USA have a reliable source of oil when you buy from us. If Trump starts a war with Iran, you will be very appreciative your reliable supply of oil from your “Friends in the North”.

Best wishes,

Kevin

Wayne

 

From: biochar@... <biochar@...>
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2019 12:43 AM
To: biochar@...
Subject: [biochar] Canada news

 

 

This arrived from Lloyd Helferty of Canada yesterday.

 

Big News!

Canada's House of Commons has declared a national climate emergency

CTV News - 2 hours ago  (that was on Tuesday)

OTTAWA – The House of Commons has passed a motion declaring a national climate emergency, and supporting Canada’s commitment to meet the Paris Agreement emissions targets. Conservative MPs voted against the motion, but it still passed 186-63.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/canada-s-house-of-commons-has-declared-a-national-climate-emergency-1.4470804

 

Paul

 

 

Doc / Dr TLUD / Paul S. Anderson, PhD

Exec. Dir. of Juntos Energy Solutions NFP

Email:  psanders@...       Skype:   paultlud

Phone:  Office: 309-452-7072    Mobile: 309-531-4434

Website:   www.drtlud.com

 


Re: Canada news

Teel, Wayne
 

Kevin,

 

This is not a debate for the biochar list serve.  If you want further discussion just send me your email.  Mine is teelws@....

My goal in all this is to get carbon out of the air and back in the ground (or elsewhere as defined in Albert Bates and Kathleen Draper’s book Burn.)  The discussion about taking carbon out of the ground and burning it is for another place.

 

Wayne

 

From: biochar@...
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2019 10:30 PM
To: biochar@...
Subject: RE: [biochar] RE: Canada news

 

 

Hi Wayne

 

From: biochar@... [mailto:biochar@...]
Sent: June 20, 2019 7:00 AM
To: biochar@...
Subject: [biochar] RE: Canada news

Then Trudeau turned around and signed an order to construct the pipeline that will carry Canadian tar sands to the Pacific Coast to be loaded in prime salmon, whale and timber habitat.

# Firstly, the pipeline will be transporting heavy crude oil, NOT “tar sands”. Secondly, loading of such heavy crude oil is a very safe operation. Do you have any factual statistics showing the dangers to the environment associated with the loading of heavy crude oil?  

  Let’s not celebrate inconsistent foolishness too much.

# Do have any rational basis for making such a statement? If so, what is it?

  You can’t work toward Paris goals and export your pollution at the same time.

 # Canada is indeed working toward “Paris Goals”. What is the USA doing, in this regard? Note that the fuel per se is not the pollutant; it is only an “atmospheric pollutant, when it is burned to release its energy. It is the demand for energy from fossil fuels that causes CO2 increase in the biosphere. As long as the World consumes a given amount of energy, there will be a given market for energy from oil. Such oil from Canada will simply displace oil from other Oil Fields.

# Note that the USA is our largest Customer for our oil. You, and the USA have a reliable source of oil when you buy from us. If Trump starts a war with Iran, you will be very appreciative your reliable supply of oil from your “Friends in the North”.

Best wishes,

Kevin

Wayne

 

From: biochar@... <biochar@...>
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2019 12:43 AM
To: biochar@...
Subject: [biochar] Canada news

 

 

This arrived from Lloyd Helferty of Canada yesterday.

 

Big News!

Canada's House of Commons has declared a national climate emergency

CTV News - 2 hours ago  (that was on Tuesday)

OTTAWA – The House of Commons has passed a motion declaring a national climate emergency, and supporting Canada’s commitment to meet the Paris Agreement emissions targets. Conservative MPs voted against the motion, but it still passed 186-63.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/canada-s-house-of-commons-has-declared-a-national-climate-emergency-1.4470804

 

Paul

 

 

Doc / Dr TLUD / Paul S. Anderson, PhD

Exec. Dir. of Juntos Energy Solutions NFP

Email:  psanders@...       Skype:   paultlud

Phone:  Office: 309-452-7072    Mobile: 309-531-4434

Website:   www.drtlud.com

 


Re: Canada news

kchisholm <kchisholm@...>
 

Hi Wayne

 

From: biochar@... [mailto:biochar@...]
Sent: June 20, 2019 7:00 AM
To: biochar@...
Subject: [biochar] RE: Canada news

Then Trudeau turned around and signed an order to construct the pipeline that will carry Canadian tar sands to the Pacific Coast to be loaded in prime salmon, whale and timber habitat.

# Firstly, the pipeline will be transporting heavy crude oil, NOT “tar sands”. Secondly, loading of such heavy crude oil is a very safe operation. Do you have any factual statistics showing the dangers to the environment associated with the loading of heavy crude oil?  

  Let’s not celebrate inconsistent foolishness too much.

# Do have any rational basis for making such a statement? If so, what is it?

  You can’t work toward Paris goals and export your pollution at the same time.

 # Canada is indeed working toward “Paris Goals”. What is the USA doing, in this regard? Note that the fuel per se is not the pollutant; it is only an “atmospheric pollutant, when it is burned to release its energy. It is the demand for energy from fossil fuels that causes CO2 increase in the biosphere. As long as the World consumes a given amount of energy, there will be a given market for energy from oil. Such oil from Canada will simply displace oil from other Oil Fields.

# Note that the USA is our largest Customer for our oil. You, and the USA have a reliable source of oil when you buy from us. If Trump starts a war with Iran, you will be very appreciative your reliable supply of oil from your “Friends in the North”.

Best wishes,

Kevin

Wayne

 

From: biochar@... <biochar@...>
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2019 12:43 AM
To: biochar@...
Subject: [biochar] Canada news

 

 

This arrived from Lloyd Helferty of Canada yesterday.

 

Big News!

Canada's House of Commons has declared a national climate emergency

CTV News - 2 hours ago  (that was on Tuesday)

OTTAWA – The House of Commons has passed a motion declaring a national climate emergency, and supporting Canada’s commitment to meet the Paris Agreement emissions targets. Conservative MPs voted against the motion, but it still passed 186-63.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/canada-s-house-of-commons-has-declared-a-national-climate-emergency-1.4470804

 

Paul

 

 

Doc / Dr TLUD / Paul S. Anderson, PhD

Exec. Dir. of Juntos Energy Solutions NFP

Email:  psanders@...       Skype:   paultlud

Phone:  Office: 309-452-7072    Mobile: 309-531-4434

Website:   www.drtlud.com

 


Re: Canada news

Teel, Wayne
 

Then Trudeau turned around and signed an order to construct the pipeline that will carry Canadian tar sands to the Pacific Coast to be loaded in prime salmon, whale and timber habitat.  Let’s not celebrate inconsistent foolishness too much.  You can’t work toward Paris goals and export your pollution at the same time.

 

Wayne

 

From: biochar@... <biochar@...>
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2019 12:43 AM
To: biochar@...
Subject: [biochar] Canada news

 

 

This arrived from Lloyd Helferty of Canada yesterday.

 

Big News!

Canada's House of Commons has declared a national climate emergency

CTV News - 2 hours ago  (that was on Tuesday)

OTTAWA – The House of Commons has passed a motion declaring a national climate emergency, and supporting Canada’s commitment to meet the Paris Agreement emissions targets. Conservative MPs voted against the motion, but it still passed 186-63.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/canada-s-house-of-commons-has-declared-a-national-climate-emergency-1.4470804

 

Paul

 

 

Doc / Dr TLUD / Paul S. Anderson, PhD

Exec. Dir. of Juntos Energy Solutions NFP

Email:  psanders@...       Skype:   paultlud

Phone:  Office: 309-452-7072    Mobile: 309-531-4434

Website:   www.drtlud.com

 


Canada news

Paul S Anderson
 

This arrived from Lloyd Helferty of Canada yesterday.

 

Big News!

Canada's House of Commons has declared a national climate emergency

CTV News - 2 hours ago  (that was on Tuesday)

OTTAWA – The House of Commons has passed a motion declaring a national climate emergency, and supporting Canada’s commitment to meet the Paris Agreement emissions targets. Conservative MPs voted against the motion, but it still passed 186-63.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/canada-s-house-of-commons-has-declared-a-national-climate-emergency-1.4470804

 

Paul

 

 

Doc / Dr TLUD / Paul S. Anderson, PhD

Exec. Dir. of Juntos Energy Solutions NFP

Email:  psanders@...       Skype:   paultlud

Phone:  Office: 309-452-7072    Mobile: 309-531-4434

Website:   www.drtlud.com

 


‘The migration problem is a coffee problem’: Washington Post

Kim Chaffee
 

All,

I didn’t realize that the steep drop in the price of coffee beans over the past two years has been one of the strongest drivers of migration from Guatemala to the U.S.  I know that biochar has been used to help coffee growers, but I wonder if it could help Guatemalan coffee farmers to reduce their costs, so that they could start making money again.  Starbucks is trying to assist by subsidizing their supplier farmers, but it's still not enough for the farmers to break even.  (I need to read the report on biochar and coffee.)  

Kim
  


In western Guatemala, cultivating coffee was once a way out of poverty. As prices fall, growers are abandoning their farms for the United States.

Guatemala is now the single largest source of migrants attempting to enter the United States — more than 211,000 were apprehended at the Southwest border in the eight months from October to May. Here in western Guatemala, one of the biggest factors in that surge is the falling price of coffee, from $2.20 per pound in 2015 to a low this year of 86 cents — about a 60 percent drop. Since 2017, most farmers have been operating at a loss, even as many sell their beans to some of the world’s best-known specialty-coffee brands.

   A staggering number of those farmers have decided to migrate. 




Creeping toward Permanent Drought - Scientific American Blog Network

Kim Chaffee
 

Well written and concerning. Biochar is not mentioned.
Kim


https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/hot-planet/creeping-toward-permanent-drought/


Re: shipping containers

d.michael.shafer@gmail.com
 

Fantastic idea - and, if I may - one that does not require your altruism. Thousands of small and medium sized towns across the US could - and should - adopt similar schemes that, if nothing else, would cover all costs, saving a lot of money.

As it stands now, towns collect leaves eliminating the primary cost of composting. Likewise, they generally collect dead tree branches and even dead trees, especially if they are on public land, eliminating the primary cost of charring. Both leaves and tree stuff are generally delivered to the same location. 

An obvious program is to char the wood using any sized trough they think appropriate. If nothing else the process reduces the amount to chip and send to the dump or landfill. Better, if the char is mixed with the leaf compost, the town can dramatically reduce or eliminate its fertilizer budget, savings thousands of dollars annually.

And, of course, to the extent that anyone actually cares, the program will sequester lots of CO2 and avert the emission of tons and tons of CO2e, smog precursors and PM2.5. Oh, and the fertilizer will not only make the parks and playing fields green. It will also lock up all sorts of contaminants lurking in the grass.

Just a thought.

M

On Mon, Jun 17, 2019, 11:06 PM Dick Gallien dickgallien@... [biochar] <biochar@...> wrote:
 

Kelpie--thanks for the info, but far more important is that within it was Kurt.Spokas@... in Mpls. who I've bombarded since yesterday, with material on my efforts to find better ways to make biochar from the millions of dead ash which all communities in Mn. have been torching for 25 yrs. with the blessing of our DNR Forestry Dept.--only $5 for a yearly permit, just so you don't burn their forests, or your burning doesn't result in complaints to our office and it has worked perfectly and will continue forever, except if you, Tom Miles and a couple from exotic places send The Winona Farm support to Winona's Mayor and City Council as early as possible this June 17th, other wise at 6:30 pm, they will rubber stamp a 2 yr. extension of Bruce Reed's contract to operate the City Compost Site, which he has done for over 25 yrs., receiving over 1 million, to burn most of it, on City land, adjoining the sewage plant.  His new contract is for 55K for this yr. and 57K next yr., which is, open limited hrs., so he can squeeze the public into fewer hrs. for collecting for everything in and compost, etc. that he sells.

Far more important is that at 87, I'm determined to donate this 175 acre farm, 3 mi. from the center of Winona, Mn., to The Winona Farm, Inc. before I drop, or it is guaranteed, for a couple million, to become some rich person's locked gate, show off estate, which is the last thing I want, because it has such potential for making use of the organic materials that too many communities prefer to burn or bury. The Winona Farm Community Service Compost Site has been open every day, from dawn until dark for 29 yrs., operating from only an honors jar..  For 19 yrs. 400 City truck loads of street leaves a yr.,have been dumped here. Bruce Reed has refused to take them because wet leaves don't burn.  It is almost amusing, what a cash cow Winona City Council supports, when if they'd work with me, Winona could be an example of what more cities could do, other than burn or bury. Thanks, Dick



City Mayor and Council, who will make the decision today and don't have a clue about biochar and anything but burning wood, with a little mulch for a photo.   
mpetersonathurleyemoellerpeydenborzmichellewinonacitycouncilpschollmeier

Dick Gallien 
22501 East Burns Valley Road
Winona  MN  55987
dickgallien@...  [507] 312 0194
www.thefarm.winona-mn.us

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Re: Watch "pond aquarium experiment with biochar" on YouTube

Rowdy Yeatts
 

This video gets into biochar and algae.  


Iowa State researchers studying slow-release fertilizer to feed crops, improve water quality

Rowdy Yeatts
 

Impressive grant for some really interesting research at ISU although the comments about valuation are somewhat puzzling.  


Rowdy


https://www.news.iastate.edu/news/2019/06/17/biochar-slowrelease


Re: Biochar Formulation as a Soil Amendment in the Agricultural, Forestry, and Environmental Sectors

Rowdy Yeatts
 

No problem Tom.  Even though not everything was what I wanted to hear, specifically for wood biochar, I thought he did a really good job of explaining some of the differences in the biochars and applications.  

Rowdy

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