Re: You must watch this
#education
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Benoit Lambert, PhD <benoit.lambert7@...>
Norm, Ron, biochar list, Indeed, a fantastic video, with the 'use for waste' very important message, a forgotten co-benefits of biochar production. Thank you, regards, Benoit
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Re: You must watch this
#education
#video
Ron Larson
Norm and biochar list (changed address away from yahoo; dropped the ag forum because I wasn’t sure I am on there) RWL: Thanks for the alert. I agree this is a “must”. Main character is “Biochap” (first time I’ve seen that name.). At this site, I learned this is a freebie. Designed for grades 4-8. All Canadian based, but they service any country. Main message is finding a use for waste - not one we normally see for biochar. Ron
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Re: Waste cardboard, paper, newspaper, as feedstock
#feedstock
Ron Larson
Shaked From: cc list Thanks a great deal. See inserts. [RWL: Doing same is fine by me. [RWL: Gotcha. See note below on possible BLDD to replace TLUD operation - which would keep the bones low. [RWL: I thought I was looking at topmost layer. Thanks for noting this. [RWL: Intresting that you think in terms of layers. I have not previously heard that. [RWL: Looks like you are doing everything right. I look forward to hearing what happens as you compare different amounts vs a control.
[RWL: There is a H-P Schmidt paper on this I’ll try to find. Also compares good (seasoned) and bad (raw) char.
[RWL: I’ll try to look tomorrow I don’t recall any.
[RWL: Yup. You’re really on to something new I think. New and likely important. Re the BLDD idea - I will try to send more - but the basic idea is to use your existing 200 liter barrel exactly as is - but light at the bottom. Open (cold top). The needed downdraft supplied by the existing tall (small diameter) chimney a few feet away. Flames to travel horizontally those few feet in a trench in the ground - covered by a piece of steel (on which you could cook/boil something (sort of like a Plancha). I’m claiming not much new equipment needed except the flat horizontal steel plate. The probable main new problem is getting a fire stated at the base. Second need is for a way to regulate the needed secondary air. A proposed advantage over TLUD operation is early being able to start with small height of fuel (better draft) and keep adding fuel until the barrel is totally full rather than half(?) full. I don’t know of this ever being tried. For most of us a major difficulty - but you have most of the gear already. Again - thanks for doing what you are doing. Ron. (Not Rob)
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Tom Miles
Rob,
I am sure there are recent life cycle cost assessments of small scale biomass power plants since they are required for most public projects. The challenge with most small scale power plants is that the cost of the equipment and labor often outweigh fuel savings from renewable fuels.
If I recall there is a small turbine at the VA hospital in White River Junction. Small backpressure turbines require large heat demand. An example of small power generation with large heat demand is a small 500 kWe turbine at a sawmill right there across the river in New Hampshire which heats a very large number of wood dry kilns. I think it was installed in about 2000. Organic Rankine Cycle (ORC) systems are often suggested but they also have very large low quality waste heat effluent that must be justified economically. They are best applied is you already have a hot oil boiler with excess heat capacity.
We looked at a small, 500 kWe, gasifier with an internal combustion engine recently but the low cost of heat and power did not make it feasible, even with biochar as a co-product.
Tom
From: main@Biochar.groups.io <main@Biochar.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert Lehmert via Groups.Io
Thank you, Tom, for your informative reply.
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Robert Lehmert
Thank you, Tom, for your informative reply.
I am involved in a project with a VT campus, where a new power plant needs to be installed to replace an old one being decommissioned. I have presented a woodchip plant and they liked it. The issue needs to be decided by the State Building & Grounds department, who operate under a State Law that says: "life-cycle costs" shall mean the present value purchase price of an item, plus the replacement cost, plus or minus the salvage value, plus the present value of operation and maintenance costs, plus the energy and environmental externalities' costs or benefits. Where reliable data enables the Department of Buildings and General Services to establish these additional environmental externalities' costs or benefits with respect to a particular purchasing decision or category of purchasing decisions, that is energy related, the Department may recommend the addition or subtraction of an additional price factor. All State agencies shall consider the price factor and environmental considerations set by the Department when examining life-cycle costs for purchasing decisions." Are there examples of Life Cycle Assessments available for review, so that I can prepare to present this to Buildings & Grounds? If I can prove that a modern biomass plant has a competitive result, it may open the doors to other state facilities. Happy new year to you all.
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Robert Lehmert
Thank you Tomasso.
My 7 years of Latin makes me remember the connection between "incineration" and the Latin root for "ash" which is why I suggested it.
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Tom Miles
Paul
The Yahoo list is no longer active.
From: Stoves <stoves-bounces@...> On Behalf Of Anderson, Paul
Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2019 7:57 PM To: tluds@Biochar.groups.io; biochar@...; 'Discussion of biomass cooking stoves' <stoves@...> Cc: Biochar@groups.io Subject: Re: [Stoves] [tluds] [biochar] FW: Biochar Friday at the start of ETHOS
Tom, I think that you and I are sending messages to the OLD biochar email address. This could be a common mistake by others, also. Do we need to delete the old address from our address books to prevent such errors?
Paul
Doc / Dr TLUD / Paul S. Anderson, PhD --- Website: www.drtlud.com Email: psanders@... Skype: paultlud Phone: Office: 309-452-7072 Mobile & WhatsApp: 309-531-4434 Exec. Dir. of Juntos Energy Solutions NFP Go to: www.JuntosNFP.org to support woodgas (TLUD) projects incl. purchase of Woodgas Emission Reduction (WER) carbon credits and please tell you friends about these distinctive service efforts. Author of “A Capitalist Carol” (free digital copies at www.capitalism21.org) with pages 88 – 94 about solving the world crisis for clean cookstoves.
From: tluds@Biochar.groups.io <tluds@Biochar.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Miles via Groups.Io
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I think the biochar Friday is a good idea. Maybe we need to get the word out to a broader list.
Tom
From: biochar@... <biochar@...>
To all,
Last Saturday 21 Dec, I sent the message below to three listservs. I am resending it because I have received not one single response about the proposal for Biochar Friday on 24 January 2020 in the Seattle/Kirkland area.
Paul
Doc / Dr TLUD / Paul S. Anderson, PhD --- Website: www.drtlud.com Email: psanders@... Skype: paultlud Phone: Office: 309-452-7072 Mobile & WhatsApp: 309-531-4434 Exec. Dir. of Juntos Energy Solutions NFP Go to: www.JuntosNFP.org to support woodgas (TLUD) projects incl. purchase of Woodgas Emission Reduction (WER) carbon credits and please tell you friends about these distinctive service efforts. Author of “A Capitalist Carol” (free digital copies at www.capitalism21.org) with pages 88 – 94 about solving the world crisis for clean cookstoves.
From: Anderson, Paul
Biochar Friday 2020 (The attachment is exactly like the message below, but is in .docx format.)
Dear all (but directed to those who deal with Biochar issues and/or who could be attending the ETHOS meeting in Kirkland, Washington on 24 – 26 January 2020),
Within the regular attendees of ETHOS there is a “mini-sub-group” with an interest in biochar, especially the production of biochar such as with TLUD cookstoves and barrels and other small pyrolysis devices. Because we are together each year, it is proposed that we have a separate (but coordinated) meeting about biochar on the Friday (24 January this year) before ETHOS starts.
After some few comments from others via email, I have made the following arrangements for the Biochar Friday group:
1. The Biochar Friday group is to have its first gathering on 24 January 2020.
2. The meeting room of the Kirkland Inn (connected to the breakfast room) has been reserved for the morning of 24 January. ETHOS controls that meeting room from noon onward. (There is no option to meet at Shari’s restaurant.)
3. We will gather at 8:00 AM, with an on-time official start at 9:00 AM. Tom Miles has offered to provide a summary of the status of international (and USA/North America) biochar activities (not just about the organizations called “Biochar Initiatives.”) How much time he has will be determined after others have had a chance to make proposals for the use of the time. One additional topic could be the role of PyCC (Pyrolytic Carbon Capture) to assist the battle against climate change. Perhaps there will be some panel discussions, depending on who attends. It will NOT be with academic presentations. The focus is NOT on the agricultural / soil / micro-fauna / etc. aspects of biochar, but such can be mentioned.
4. We will ask ETHOS leadership if we can extend our time past noon, up to the time when ETHOS will have its use of the room (usually starting at 1:00 or 1:30 PM).
5. Because the Woodgas TLUD stoves are makers of charcoal / biochar, they could be featured in the afternoon time reserved for ETHOS, but that is up for discussion.
6. Upon expiration of any time for Biochar topics in the room, the Biochar Friday group is at liberty to move to another location (not defined). If the group is small, that will be easy. If numerous, we can be creative with specialty groups or focus groups.
*************** So, the Biochar Friday event is now official. It is open to everyone. You can make your travel arrangements to allow your presence at the event. Remember to register for the ETHOS meeting (at www.ethoscon.com , and to reserve your room at the Baymont Inn at Seattle/Kirkland: 425-947-1030 (and say that you are with ETHOS.)
There is no charge for Biochar Friday but donations to cover the room rental (AM only) will be accepted at the event (unless we find a sponsor).
This announcement is going to three (3) Listservs but could be forward to others by you: Biochar group, Stoves Listserv, tluds Listserv. And ETHOS could send it to its mailing list. Please reply to your respective listservs, but know that not everyone will see your replies. Especially if you expect to attend the Biochar Friday, be sure that I receive notification ( psanders@... ).
I (we) are looking for some volunteers, but not sure what duties there are to be undertaken.
Paul
Doc / Dr TLUD / Paul S. Anderson, PhD --- Website: www.drtlud.com Email: psanders@... Skype: paultlud Phone: Office: 309-452-7072 Mobile & WhatsApp: 309-531-4434 Exec. Dir. of Juntos Energy Solutions NFP Go to: www.JuntosNFP.org to support woodgas (TLUD) projects incl. purchase of Woodgas Emission Reduction (WER) carbon credits and please tell you friends about these distinctive service efforts. Author of “A Capitalist Carol” (free digital copies at www.capitalism21.org) with pages 88 – 94 about solving the world crisis for clean cookstoves.
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Re: Waste cardboard, paper, newspaper, as feedstock
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Shaked From
Hi Rob,
thanks for the questions, I’ll try to answer best I can. I’m also just about to run another burn as material is piling up, I’ll be able to share more pictures, what is the best way to do that? I’m sharing land with an organic market gardener, and waste cardboard seem to be an abundant resource. in terms of your questions: 1. The picture with the bones at the bottom was aimed at showing the bottom of the kiln, I don’t tend to place the bones at the bottom as it’s the place receiving least heat, and bones do not seem to char well there. 2. I usually start with a bottom layer of sticks, to make sure that the flatness of paper does not block any air intake, the sticks allow even distribution of air. The picture showing the sticks also shows the next layer up of rolled cardboard, starting the stacking from the outside and not yet complete in the center, the sticks are only at the bottom layer. 3. Stacking the rolls of cardboard, paper, newspaper works well, and does not seem to matter upright or horizontal. 4. Nut shells or tree bark when available work well as a complete layer. 5. Bones, egg shells, fruit stones, avocado skins and other such material seem to char best scattered evenly through the paper/ cardboard mass in the top part of the drum. 6. In terms of the design of the kiln, I have seen ‘aqueous solutions’ using both of the approaches, the 2nd drum as a chimney or a third of a drum attached to a flue as a chimney, I chose the later as I had the flue and it seemed lighter and easier to remove at the end of the burn. i followed their design exactly, and I am very happy with it, I have used TLUDs before, and this one is the cleanest burn homemade TLUD I have constructed and used. 7. Regarding the question about my satisfaction with the resulted char... I’m not sure, which is why I shared this material to start with. its all charred right through, including the bones, has no smell or taste, washes off easily with a bit of water, soaks up liquid well, and powders without effort, but I had not managed to find any information on the structural characteristics of paper/cardboard char, and I had not run any field trials. i have been using that char in 2 main ways: 1. Mixed with grass clippings or wood shavings in our composting toilets, so every time someone does their thing they add a handful of the mix into the chamber, once full it sits for six months to decompose, red worms are abundant in the chamber too, after six months the compost is used in the garden or as part of seed raising mix. 2. Our family lives from the farm animals and our garden, and urine is an important resource. my understanding is that each liter of urine has approximately 10ml of N, and that bacteria consumes approximately 5:1 C:N, so I either mix 50ml of humates with every liter of urine, and that’s spread onto the garden / forest garden (diluted). Or the urine goes into the dry paper and co. biochar to soak for a few days, then the liquid (black urine) is watered into the garden, and the saturated biochar is forked into the garden soil. i should run some simple field tests. as well, I read somewhere about a characterisation project? Aiming to link feedstock, pyrolysis method and resulted biochar? I had not managed to find the database, is this in existence? Common knowledge to this list? How would one get access to the information? And has anyone seen some info on the structural characteristics of paper/cardboard biochar? hope I clarified a few points.. :-) happy celebrations which ever you carry
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Re: [tluds] [biochar] FW: Biochar Friday at the start of ETHOS
#conference
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Tom Miles
It’s germane to the Clean Cookstove groups including ETHOS.
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Re: [tluds] [biochar] FW: Biochar Friday at the start of ETHOS
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Paul S Anderson
Tom, I think that you and I are sending messages to the OLD biochar email address. This could be a common mistake by others, also. Do we need to delete the old address from our address books to prevent such errors?
Paul
Doc / Dr TLUD / Paul S. Anderson, PhD --- Website: www.drtlud.com Email: psanders@... Skype: paultlud Phone: Office: 309-452-7072 Mobile & WhatsApp: 309-531-4434 Exec. Dir. of Juntos Energy Solutions NFP Go to: www.JuntosNFP.org to support woodgas (TLUD) projects incl. purchase of Woodgas Emission Reduction (WER) carbon credits and please tell you friends about these distinctive service efforts. Author of “A Capitalist Carol” (free digital copies at www.capitalism21.org) with pages 88 – 94 about solving the world crisis for clean cookstoves.
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On Behalf Of Tom Miles via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2019 9:40 PM To: biochar@...; 'Discussion of biomass cooking stoves' <stoves@...>; 'tluds@biochar. groups. io' <tluds@biochar.groups.io> Cc: Anderson, Paul <psanders@...> Subject: Re: [tluds] [biochar] FW: Biochar Friday at the start of ETHOS
[This message came from an external source. If suspicious, report to abuse@...] Paul,
I think the biochar Friday is a good idea. Maybe we need to get the word out to a broader list.
Tom
From: biochar@... <biochar@...>
To all,
Last Saturday 21 Dec, I sent the message below to three listservs. I am resending it because I have received not one single response about the proposal for Biochar Friday on 24 January 2020 in the Seattle/Kirkland area.
Paul
Doc / Dr TLUD / Paul S. Anderson, PhD --- Website: www.drtlud.com Email: psanders@... Skype: paultlud Phone: Office: 309-452-7072 Mobile & WhatsApp: 309-531-4434 Exec. Dir. of Juntos Energy Solutions NFP Go to: www.JuntosNFP.org to support woodgas (TLUD) projects incl. purchase of Woodgas Emission Reduction (WER) carbon credits and please tell you friends about these distinctive service efforts. Author of “A Capitalist Carol” (free digital copies at www.capitalism21.org) with pages 88 – 94 about solving the world crisis for clean cookstoves.
From: Anderson, Paul
Biochar Friday 2020 (The attachment is exactly like the message below, but is in .docx format.)
Dear all (but directed to those who deal with Biochar issues and/or who could be attending the ETHOS meeting in Kirkland, Washington on 24 – 26 January 2020),
Within the regular attendees of ETHOS there is a “mini-sub-group” with an interest in biochar, especially the production of biochar such as with TLUD cookstoves and barrels and other small pyrolysis devices. Because we are together each year, it is proposed that we have a separate (but coordinated) meeting about biochar on the Friday (24 January this year) before ETHOS starts.
After some few comments from others via email, I have made the following arrangements for the Biochar Friday group:
1. The Biochar Friday group is to have its first gathering on 24 January 2020.
2. The meeting room of the Kirkland Inn (connected to the breakfast room) has been reserved for the morning of 24 January. ETHOS controls that meeting room from noon onward. (There is no option to meet at Shari’s restaurant.)
3. We will gather at 8:00 AM, with an on-time official start at 9:00 AM. Tom Miles has offered to provide a summary of the status of international (and USA/North America) biochar activities (not just about the organizations called “Biochar Initiatives.”) How much time he has will be determined after others have had a chance to make proposals for the use of the time. One additional topic could be the role of PyCC (Pyrolytic Carbon Capture) to assist the battle against climate change. Perhaps there will be some panel discussions, depending on who attends. It will NOT be with academic presentations. The focus is NOT on the agricultural / soil / micro-fauna / etc. aspects of biochar, but such can be mentioned.
4. We will ask ETHOS leadership if we can extend our time past noon, up to the time when ETHOS will have its use of the room (usually starting at 1:00 or 1:30 PM).
5. Because the Woodgas TLUD stoves are makers of charcoal / biochar, they could be featured in the afternoon time reserved for ETHOS, but that is up for discussion.
6. Upon expiration of any time for Biochar topics in the room, the Biochar Friday group is at liberty to move to another location (not defined). If the group is small, that will be easy. If numerous, we can be creative with specialty groups or focus groups.
*************** So, the Biochar Friday event is now official. It is open to everyone. You can make your travel arrangements to allow your presence at the event. Remember to register for the ETHOS meeting (at www.ethoscon.com , and to reserve your room at the Baymont Inn at Seattle/Kirkland: 425-947-1030 (and say that you are with ETHOS.)
There is no charge for Biochar Friday but donations to cover the room rental (AM only) will be accepted at the event (unless we find a sponsor).
This announcement is going to three (3) Listservs but could be forward to others by you: Biochar group, Stoves Listserv, tluds Listserv. And ETHOS could send it to its mailing list. Please reply to your respective listservs, but know that not everyone will see your replies. Especially if you expect to attend the Biochar Friday, be sure that I receive notification ( psanders@... ).
I (we) are looking for some volunteers, but not sure what duties there are to be undertaken.
Paul
Doc / Dr TLUD / Paul S. Anderson, PhD --- Website: www.drtlud.com Email: psanders@... Skype: paultlud Phone: Office: 309-452-7072 Mobile & WhatsApp: 309-531-4434 Exec. Dir. of Juntos Energy Solutions NFP Go to: www.JuntosNFP.org to support woodgas (TLUD) projects incl. purchase of Woodgas Emission Reduction (WER) carbon credits and please tell you friends about these distinctive service efforts. Author of “A Capitalist Carol” (free digital copies at www.capitalism21.org) with pages 88 – 94 about solving the world crisis for clean cookstoves.
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Re: Waste cardboard, paper, newspaper, as feedstock
#feedstock
Ron Larson
Shaked From: cc list You have raised some interesting new TLUD issues with the four photos given in your message below. Your “here” in the text refers back to Josh Kearns who has done much of the best work with improving water quality through “Aqueous Solutions”. You have found it better apparently to not use the upper 200 liter “chimney”. Any comments on time and material savings for your single barrel approach? I don’t recall anyone reporting an input biomass assortment like you show. This was your first photo - which was quite surprising to me in terms of having pieces running both vertically and horizontally. Ever have any problems with getting an unintentional path from top to bottom through one of the rolls? (Having a flat pyrolysis front?) Are you satisfied with the quality of the char made from cardboard and (I presume) sometimes paper? I don’t need to show the second photo, which had twigs in the center of a ring of rolled up cardboard - but here looking much more uniform.. Same questions on running OK always? In this third photo, are the whitish pieces bones that you threw in before starting the next run? The intent was mainly to to show the size and spring of the air holes? Do the bones come out quite black? Brittle enough to break apart?? Thanks for sharing this new (to me) loading approach. I’m envious of the scene in the fourth photo. To the rest of the biochar list - anyone else? Ron
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Don Coyne <don@...>
Thanks Robert, Chars! 😉
From: main@Biochar.groups.io <main@Biochar.groups.io> On Behalf Of ROBERT W GILLETT
[Edited Message Follows] Don,
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Don,
This recent germane article, which concludes that black carbon in the ocean did not originate mostly on land, has a link to a 2017 paper that may be the one Albert referred to. Robert
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Tom Miles
Thanks for highlighting this Bob. The carbon foam project has been underway for a few years. It’s good to see some progress.
Tom
From: main@Biochar.groups.io <main@Biochar.groups.io> On Behalf Of ROBERT W GILLETT
Merry Christmas All,
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Re: A Bill To Help Biochar?
#policy
Frank Strie
Yes Don, good links thanks for sharing and pointing every interested reader to such valuable inormation. Just finished reading this opinion article today and listened to the TEDx talk about the wisdom from the Amazon. (see link below).For me, as a restoration forester applying methodologies based on ProSilva Forest Management principles the combination of the various forms of carbons with the water, nutrient and light cycles enables us to regenerate sources of shelter, eventually forming moisture and growing cool microclimates. …We do this here in Tasmania and eventually we will be able to get our collaboration with other initiatives like the blue economy. … One challenge to reckoning with climate change is that despite all the weather anomalies we’ve been seeing, it’s difficult to confidently link climate change to any one event. This perpetuates the notion that climate change is an abstraction to be pushed off into the future, and leads to cognitive dissonance in that it seems impossible to “prove” what we know to be so. Let me now introduce an alternate definition of climate change: “manifestations of distorted carbon, water and energy cycles”. That doesn’t negate the single story of fossil fuel-borne carbon but broadens it in a way that creates opportunities beyond fighting fossil fuel interests. At this moment of reckless distraction and denial, it is crucial to find meaningful paths forward. It is the combination of the things we know we can do that is the way that works.
From: main@Biochar.groups.io <main@Biochar.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don Coyne
Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2019 9:37 AM To: main@Biochar.groups.io Subject: Re: [Biochar] A Bill To Help Biochar? #policy
I agree Frank, ever since I read Hans Peter Schmidt 55 Uses of Biochar back in 2013 I have been intrigued by the concept of building things with biochar including soil. https://www.biochar-journal.org/en/ct/2 It will all end up in there anyway. We advocated again for this at ANZBC19 with a number of presentations on biochar in hot & cold mix asphalt as well biochar concrete including 3D Printed Concrete Automated construction. You can download 70% of the presentations from ANZBC19 here https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1MEkykMe3TlFFYAUkgHD3naDhVxoMJfw8
Chars,
Don
From: main@Biochar.groups.io <main@Biochar.groups.io> On Behalf Of Frank Strie
Considering the seriousness, urgency to be effective, the massive scale, reasons etc., I like to strongly suggest anyone read or listen to the book being read for us, ‘Carbon Cascades’ - ‘Using Fire to Cool the Earth’ by Albert Bates & Kathleen Draper Burn: Using Fire to Cool the Earth (Audible ... - Amazon.com https://www.amazon.com › Burn-Using-Fire-Cool-Earth
Amazon.com: Burn: Using Fire to Cool the Earth (Audible Audio Edition): Albert Bates, Kathleen Draper, Tia Rider, Chelsea Green Publishing Company: Audible ...
From: main@Biochar.groups.io <main@Biochar.groups.io> On Behalf Of d.michael.shafer@...
To be perfectly honest, my immediate reaction to the language here is that this was written by an oil or coal or power industry lobbyist to generate a subsidy for a costly, overhyped and technically probably marginal way to "dispose" of CO2. Yes, it is possible to grab CO2 at the stack, compress it to liquid and pump it into old wells. The language here effectively defines that and that alone as an/the acceptable technology. This is BS. (1) No one knows whether the stuff will stay down there or not. (It is pretty hot down there, after all, and liquid CO2 expands quite forcefully when heated. (2) Liquid CO2 is very slippery and no one knows what the geological consequences of pumping millions of gallons into oil shale will be - perhaps we can have geostability or sequestered carbon, but not both. (3) Just what is the logic of defining as the only acceptable tech a costly, industry specific one that excludes, apparently deliberately, low cost, low tech solutions the results of which have known benefits (e.g., water retention and decontamination, soil restoration, the locking up of heavy metals and so on)?
On Fri, Dec 20, 2019, 2:16 AM Robert Lehmert via Groups.Io <roblehmert=mac.com@groups.io> wrote:
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Re: A Bill To Help Biochar?
#policy
Don Coyne <don@...>
I agree Frank, ever since I read Hans Peter Schmidt 55 Uses of Biochar back in 2013 I have been intrigued by the concept of building things with biochar including soil. https://www.biochar-journal.org/en/ct/2 It will all end up in there anyway. We advocated again for this at ANZBC19 with a number of presentations on biochar in hot & cold mix asphalt as well biochar concrete including 3D Printed Concrete Automated construction. You can download 70% of the presentations from ANZBC19 here https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1MEkykMe3TlFFYAUkgHD3naDhVxoMJfw8
Chars,
Don
From: main@Biochar.groups.io <main@Biochar.groups.io> On Behalf Of Frank Strie
Sent: Thursday, 26 December 2019 9:23 AM To: main@Biochar.groups.io Subject: Re: [Biochar] A Bill To Help Biochar? #policy
Considering the seriousness, urgency to be effective, the massive scale, reasons etc., I like to strongly suggest anyone read or listen to the book being read for us, ‘Carbon Cascades’ - ‘Using Fire to Cool the Earth’ by Albert Bates & Kathleen Draper Burn: Using Fire to Cool the Earth (Audible ... - Amazon.com https://www.amazon.com › Burn-Using-Fire-Cool-Earth
Amazon.com: Burn: Using Fire to Cool the Earth (Audible Audio Edition): Albert Bates, Kathleen Draper, Tia Rider, Chelsea Green Publishing Company: Audible ...
From: main@Biochar.groups.io <main@Biochar.groups.io> On Behalf Of d.michael.shafer@...
To be perfectly honest, my immediate reaction to the language here is that this was written by an oil or coal or power industry lobbyist to generate a subsidy for a costly, overhyped and technically probably marginal way to "dispose" of CO2. Yes, it is possible to grab CO2 at the stack, compress it to liquid and pump it into old wells. The language here effectively defines that and that alone as an/the acceptable technology. This is BS. (1) No one knows whether the stuff will stay down there or not. (It is pretty hot down there, after all, and liquid CO2 expands quite forcefully when heated. (2) Liquid CO2 is very slippery and no one knows what the geological consequences of pumping millions of gallons into oil shale will be - perhaps we can have geostability or sequestered carbon, but not both. (3) Just what is the logic of defining as the only acceptable tech a costly, industry specific one that excludes, apparently deliberately, low cost, low tech solutions the results of which have known benefits (e.g., water retention and decontamination, soil restoration, the locking up of heavy metals and so on)?
On Fri, Dec 20, 2019, 2:16 AM Robert Lehmert via Groups.Io <roblehmert=mac.com@groups.io> wrote:
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Re: A Bill To Help Biochar?
#policy
Frank Strie
Considering the seriousness, urgency to be effective, the massive scale, reasons etc., I like to strongly suggest anyone read or listen to the book being read for us, ‘Carbon Cascades’ - ‘Using Fire to Cool the Earth’ by Albert Bates & Kathleen Draper Burn: Using Fire to Cool the Earth (Audible ... - Amazon.com https://www.amazon.com › Burn-Using-Fire-Cool-Earth
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From: main@Biochar.groups.io <main@Biochar.groups.io> On Behalf Of d.michael.shafer@...
To be perfectly honest, my immediate reaction to the language here is that this was written by an oil or coal or power industry lobbyist to generate a subsidy for a costly, overhyped and technically probably marginal way to "dispose" of CO2. Yes, it is possible to grab CO2 at the stack, compress it to liquid and pump it into old wells. The language here effectively defines that and that alone as an/the acceptable technology. This is BS. (1) No one knows whether the stuff will stay down there or not. (It is pretty hot down there, after all, and liquid CO2 expands quite forcefully when heated. (2) Liquid CO2 is very slippery and no one knows what the geological consequences of pumping millions of gallons into oil shale will be - perhaps we can have geostability or sequestered carbon, but not both. (3) Just what is the logic of defining as the only acceptable tech a costly, industry specific one that excludes, apparently deliberately, low cost, low tech solutions the results of which have known benefits (e.g., water retention and decontamination, soil restoration, the locking up of heavy metals and so on)?
On Fri, Dec 20, 2019, 2:16 AM Robert Lehmert via Groups.Io <roblehmert=mac.com@groups.io> wrote:
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Re: A Bill To Help Biochar?
#policy
d.michael.shafer@gmail.com
To be perfectly honest, my immediate reaction to the language here is that this was written by an oil or coal or power industry lobbyist to generate a subsidy for a costly, overhyped and technically probably marginal way to "dispose" of CO2. Yes, it is possible to grab CO2 at the stack, compress it to liquid and pump it into old wells. The language here effectively defines that and that alone as an/the acceptable technology. This is BS. (1) No one knows whether the stuff will stay down there or not. (It is pretty hot down there, after all, and liquid CO2 expands quite forcefully when heated. (2) Liquid CO2 is very slippery and no one knows what the geological consequences of pumping millions of gallons into oil shale will be - perhaps we can have geostability or sequestered carbon, but not both. (3) Just what is the logic of defining as the only acceptable tech a costly, industry specific one that excludes, apparently deliberately, low cost, low tech solutions the results of which have known benefits (e.g., water retention and decontamination, soil restoration, the locking up of heavy metals and so on)?
On Fri, Dec 20, 2019, 2:16 AM Robert Lehmert via Groups.Io <roblehmert=mac.com@groups.io> wrote:
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Re: Seeking information
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d.michael.shafer@gmail.com
Paul, Thanks for hooking them up. So much to do about such a small thing. Five kg is half a TLUD and it's not as if there are not dozens of top labs at work on char in India!
On Thu, Dec 19, 2019, 12:16 PM Paul S Anderson <psanders@...> wrote:
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ROBERT W GILLETT
Merry Christmas All,
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