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Re: Urine fertilizer: 'Aging' effectively protects against transfer of antibiotic resistance -- ScienceDaily #urine

mikethewormguy
 

Michael,

The sunlight induced photooxidation, used as a water treatment approach, can be enhanced by adding some lime juice or fig juice.  Limes, figs, celery all contain psoralens. 

We use a wood ash solution to decontaminated our wheat straw prior to its use to grow oyster mushrooms.

Getting a pH below 4, using lactic acid producing microbes or above 10 using wood ash can inhibit the growth of microbes.

my 2 cents,

Mike





Re: Sterilize Biochar Charged with Urine #urine

Nando Breiter
 

The question: "I want to know if urine can be sterilized by adding char and/or ash.  I am not seeking alternative methods of sterilization." 

The simple answer is no. Sterilization means all microbiota will be killed. Biochar doesn't do that. Speculation about how pH may affect microbes or pathogens isn't sufficient to come to the conclusion that an assumed higher pH will "sterilize" urine. I say "assumed" because pH is dependent on pyrolysis conditions.

Once a mixture of biochar and urine are exposed to the environment, microbiota will grow on the mixture, even if it was sterilized by other means beforehand.

So I think your question is actually something along the lines of "Can the use of biochar interrupt the transmission of pathogens that cause disease in humans? If so, how?"




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On Mon, Sep 7, 2020 at 11:56 AM d.michael.shafer@... <d.michael.shafer@...> wrote:
So, David, if I read you correctly, the notion is that there is no need to worry because in a complete system of bacteria, the "bad guys" will be reduced in number to such a minority that they will not be a problem?

Q: While this may work in the soil on the same model as "forests don't get sick," what about the poor schmuck whose personal biome is not balanced in a way to deal successfully with an unlucky dose of something he ought not be ingesting?

M




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On Sun, Sep 6, 2020 at 10:19 PM David Yarrow <dyarrow5@...> wrote:
there are a few hidden false assumptions embedded in this question.
the first is the very idea of "sterilization."
pee & poop should not be stripped of biotic activity, or treated to kill anything.
proper, natural degradation & stabilization of these "wastes" requires (indeed, is mostly) a biologic process driven by micro-organisms.  any talk of "sterilization" moves the discussion and any solution in the wrong direction.  "inoculation," "oxygenation" & "nutrient/ion balances" are better concepts to discuss this sanitation scenario.

another hidden assumption is it's all about bacteria.
microbes, too, exist in ecosystems made of families, species & classes.  fungi and other more complex microbes are crucial to stabilize "sanitary wastes" and not only render them safe, but return them to the "Soil Fertility Cycle" (now there's a lost concept!)

for a green & peaceful planet,
david yarrow


On Sat, Sep 5, 2020 at 9:40 AM Kevin McLean <info@...> wrote:
Does biochar charged with urine need to be stored for a month before application?

The WHO recommends that urine to be applied as fertilizer on food crops that are processed should be stored for a month to kill pathogens.  Urine should be stored for six months for crops that are eaten raw.  Is there a similar storage requirement for biochar charged with urine (or manure)?

Thank you,
Kevin

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Sun24
Tampa, Florida, USA
+1 (813) 505-3340

                     


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Re: Sterilize Biochar Charged with Urine #urine

d.michael.shafer@gmail.com
 

So, David, if I read you correctly, the notion is that there is no need to worry because in a complete system of bacteria, the "bad guys" will be reduced in number to such a minority that they will not be a problem?

Q: While this may work in the soil on the same model as "forests don't get sick," what about the poor schmuck whose personal biome is not balanced in a way to deal successfully with an unlucky dose of something he ought not be ingesting?

M




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On Sun, Sep 6, 2020 at 10:19 PM David Yarrow <dyarrow5@...> wrote:
there are a few hidden false assumptions embedded in this question.
the first is the very idea of "sterilization."
pee & poop should not be stripped of biotic activity, or treated to kill anything.
proper, natural degradation & stabilization of these "wastes" requires (indeed, is mostly) a biologic process driven by micro-organisms.  any talk of "sterilization" moves the discussion and any solution in the wrong direction.  "inoculation," "oxygenation" & "nutrient/ion balances" are better concepts to discuss this sanitation scenario.

another hidden assumption is it's all about bacteria.
microbes, too, exist in ecosystems made of families, species & classes.  fungi and other more complex microbes are crucial to stabilize "sanitary wastes" and not only render them safe, but return them to the "Soil Fertility Cycle" (now there's a lost concept!)

for a green & peaceful planet,
david yarrow


On Sat, Sep 5, 2020 at 9:40 AM Kevin McLean <info@...> wrote:
Does biochar charged with urine need to be stored for a month before application?

The WHO recommends that urine to be applied as fertilizer on food crops that are processed should be stored for a month to kill pathogens.  Urine should be stored for six months for crops that are eaten raw.  Is there a similar storage requirement for biochar charged with urine (or manure)?

Thank you,
Kevin

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Sun24
Tampa, Florida, USA
+1 (813) 505-3340

                     


Re: Urine fertilizer: 'Aging' effectively protects against transfer of antibiotic resistance -- ScienceDaily #urine

d.michael.shafer@gmail.com
 

Thanks, Mike. This raises an issue that I had never considered, "snippets of DNA." Because we now know that it is possible to make even the nastiest water potable by putting it in a clear bottle and setting it in the sun for a few hours, I assumed that a less lengthy process than storing the stuff for 12 to 18 months would be to treat it like water. Assuming that the urinary bacteria are no tougher than the stuff floating around in puddles and the like, I figured they, too, would "pass on." Now these pesky snippents.

Does anybody know anything about snippets? Are they really sufficient to pass on diseases? How long lasting are they? How susceptible are they to one or another low-rent intervention?

Oh, and while we are at it, am I totally off when suggesting that water treatment will clear urine of its bad boys?

M




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On Sat, Sep 5, 2020 at 10:01 PM mikethewormguy via groups.io <mikethewormguy=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/01/200122080500.htm




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Re: Sterilize Biochar Charged with Urine #urine

David Yarrow
 

there are a few hidden false assumptions embedded in this question.
the first is the very idea of "sterilization."
pee & poop should not be stripped of biotic activity, or treated to kill anything.
proper, natural degradation & stabilization of these "wastes" requires (indeed, is mostly) a biologic process driven by micro-organisms.  any talk of "sterilization" moves the discussion and any solution in the wrong direction.  "inoculation," "oxygenation" & "nutrient/ion balances" are better concepts to discuss this sanitation scenario.

another hidden assumption is it's all about bacteria.
microbes, too, exist in ecosystems made of families, species & classes.  fungi and other more complex microbes are crucial to stabilize "sanitary wastes" and not only render them safe, but return them to the "Soil Fertility Cycle" (now there's a lost concept!)

for a green & peaceful planet,
david yarrow


On Sat, Sep 5, 2020 at 9:40 AM Kevin McLean <info@...> wrote:
Does biochar charged with urine need to be stored for a month before application?

The WHO recommends that urine to be applied as fertilizer on food crops that are processed should be stored for a month to kill pathogens.  Urine should be stored for six months for crops that are eaten raw.  Is there a similar storage requirement for biochar charged with urine (or manure)?

Thank you,
Kevin

Kevin McLean, President
Sun24
Tampa, Florida, USA
+1 (813) 505-3340

                     


Re: Sterilize Biochar Charged with Urine #urine

Environmental Industries <licusociety@...>
 

Interesting. I am still learning. The issue on sterilization of urine. May be we need to learn the definition of sterilization. 

What I know is that once you subject urine to airtight storage, the chemistry changes with the pH moving from 4.5 (acidic) to pH 8-9 (alkaline). At alkaline stage the substance is so salty that pathogens cannot survive and stinking ceases. Is that not sterilization? And if you add char, it will have the same effect of increasing the pH beyond 7, making it alkaline too.

So can someone school me what kind of sterilization we are looking for?


On Sun, Sep 6, 2020, 4:05 PM Kevin McLean <info@... wrote:
I'm sorry, I should have been more clear in my initial post.  I want to know if urine can be sterilized by adding char and/or ash.  I am not seeking alternative methods of sterilization.

Sun24 works with millions of poor smallholder farmers in a dozen African countries.  We can train on a mass scale if the model is extremely simple.  Training will fail if the model is complicated.

We want to train smallholder farmers to use urine as fertilizer.  The WHO is clear that family farmers can use their own urine to fertilize their own crop for their own consumption.  If their urine contains pathogens, those pathogens are far more likely to be transmitted among family members by other means.   No storage or other sterilization methods are recommended.  

We intend to recommend the smallholder farmer add biochar to the urine because of the many additional benefits biochar will add.  The farmers can add wood charcoal which is widely available at a cost. 

We are also testing the Agwa cookstove, a crude, inexpensive (<$2) TLUD that burns crop waste and makes char with some fuels (eg., maize cobs, maize stalks, bamboo).  In a distribution model we are testing in several East African countries, we are giving 2,200 Agwas to women.  In exchange the women will make and return two large charcoal sacks filled with cob char.  Then they can make char for their own use.

What to do with these sacks of cob char is the subject of this post.  I want to mix the char into urine and apply the mixture on larger farms that sell their produce.  Therefore, sterilization is necessary.  I hope urine/char can be applied without storing.  (Char made in the Agwa will necessarily have ash, too.)

My African colleagues tell me they can collect urine using this method, which they are now testing:
1.  Put char into 20L jerrycans.  This keeps the urine from stinking.
2.  Put a funnel into the opening.
3.  Place the jerrycans in a public place and invite boys to urinate in it.

The WHO article thoroughly analyzes pathogens in urine and gives recommendations on sterilizing urine for use as fertilizer, though it primarily addresses "urine mixture" containing flushwater from urine diversion devices.  The article notes that high PH may deactivate pathogens but this is hard to separate from the effect of ammonia.  I found websites that say storage of urine raises PH which kills pathogens, but these websites contain no citations.  Many scientific articles say that pathogens thrive in acidic environments and die in alkaline environments, but they do not specifically address urine sterilization.

I think this occurs with the addition of char/ash to urine:
1.  The PH is raised.
2.  The formation of ammonia is retarded.  (We find that old urine with char/ash does not stink, a huge plus for those working with it.)

Will char/ash quickly sterilize urine?  Or, will the mixture still need to be stored for a month?  Or, because ammonia will not be produced, will char render storage an ineffective sterilization method?

Again, simplicity is critical to our ability to train at scale in Africa.

Thanks for the help.
Kevin

On Sat, Sep 5, 2020 at 8:09 AM K McLean <info@...> wrote:
Does biochar charged with urine need to be stored for a month before application?

The WHO recommends that urine to be applied as fertilizer on food crops that are processed should be stored for a month to kill pathogens.  Urine should be stored for six months for crops that are eaten raw.  Is there a similar storage requirement for biochar charged with urine (or manure)?

Thank you,
Kevin

Kevin McLean, President
Sun24
Tampa, Florida, USA
+1 (813) 505-3340

                     


Re: Sterilize Biochar Charged with Urine #urine

Kevin McLean
 

I'm sorry, I should have been more clear in my initial post.  I want to know if urine can be sterilized by adding char and/or ash.  I am not seeking alternative methods of sterilization.

Sun24 works with millions of poor smallholder farmers in a dozen African countries.  We can train on a mass scale if the model is extremely simple.  Training will fail if the model is complicated.

We want to train smallholder farmers to use urine as fertilizer.  The WHO is clear that family farmers can use their own urine to fertilize their own crop for their own consumption.  If their urine contains pathogens, those pathogens are far more likely to be transmitted among family members by other means.   No storage or other sterilization methods are recommended.  

We intend to recommend the smallholder farmer add biochar to the urine because of the many additional benefits biochar will add.  The farmers can add wood charcoal which is widely available at a cost. 

We are also testing the Agwa cookstove, a crude, inexpensive (<$2) TLUD that burns crop waste and makes char with some fuels (eg., maize cobs, maize stalks, bamboo).  In a distribution model we are testing in several East African countries, we are giving 2,200 Agwas to women.  In exchange the women will make and return two large charcoal sacks filled with cob char.  Then they can make char for their own use.

What to do with these sacks of cob char is the subject of this post.  I want to mix the char into urine and apply the mixture on larger farms that sell their produce.  Therefore, sterilization is necessary.  I hope urine/char can be applied without storing.  (Char made in the Agwa will necessarily have ash, too.)

My African colleagues tell me they can collect urine using this method, which they are now testing:
1.  Put char into 20L jerrycans.  This keeps the urine from stinking.
2.  Put a funnel into the opening.
3.  Place the jerrycans in a public place and invite boys to urinate in it.

The WHO article thoroughly analyzes pathogens in urine and gives recommendations on sterilizing urine for use as fertilizer, though it primarily addresses "urine mixture" containing flushwater from urine diversion devices.  The article notes that high PH may deactivate pathogens but this is hard to separate from the effect of ammonia.  I found websites that say storage of urine raises PH which kills pathogens, but these websites contain no citations.  Many scientific articles say that pathogens thrive in acidic environments and die in alkaline environments, but they do not specifically address urine sterilization.

I think this occurs with the addition of char/ash to urine:
1.  The PH is raised.
2.  The formation of ammonia is retarded.  (We find that old urine with char/ash does not stink, a huge plus for those working with it.)

Will char/ash quickly sterilize urine?  Or, will the mixture still need to be stored for a month?  Or, because ammonia will not be produced, will char render storage an ineffective sterilization method?

Again, simplicity is critical to our ability to train at scale in Africa.

Thanks for the help.
Kevin

On Sat, Sep 5, 2020 at 8:09 AM K McLean <info@...> wrote:
Does biochar charged with urine need to be stored for a month before application?

The WHO recommends that urine to be applied as fertilizer on food crops that are processed should be stored for a month to kill pathogens.  Urine should be stored for six months for crops that are eaten raw.  Is there a similar storage requirement for biochar charged with urine (or manure)?

Thank you,
Kevin

Kevin McLean, President
Sun24
Tampa, Florida, USA
+1 (813) 505-3340

                     


Re: Biochar US Laboratories #analysis #laboratories

mikethewormguy
 

Edgar,

The analytical labs will tell you what the seaweed biochar is but not what it does, its quality, its fitness for use.

Are you being tasked to determine the quality of the seaweed biochar that you making for your client.........?

Mike





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Re: Sterilize Biochar Charged with Urine #urine

Geoff Thomas
 

We are talking about two human, (and other,) excretions, piss and shit, and much research all over the world has found Piss and Biochar to be a very quick and highly successful team.

Not so clear with the rear end excrement.

With the always danger of being judged, I would like to ask all to consider my opinions -  yes a long term Biochar person but also with a Bio Dynamics background, - Bio-Dynamics being a more spiritual mode of growing food, and therefore able to look from different points of view.

Steiner, - the founder of Biodynamics, maintains that when a human being consumes healthy food, he/she drives that food/substance into chaos, ie creates new substance that was not before, and so that substance needs to be treated in a different way from Urine.

This may sound crazy for Materialistic persons, but I am only asking for a consideration of a broader picture.

Given, that the human being can drive food into Chaos, - thus New substance/ matter etc, it requires different treatment, - it is too strong in a normal compost, better to put in a field nutrition situation then put in a normal compost after that earlier compost has broken down.

Just explaining, although not requiring your acceptance, - traditions all over the world, - by no means in agreement, but the excrement of Humans should not be used as straight compost but put through a heap and then a growth second, ie spread over a field, and then the grass, etc. made into compost when it has broken down enough.

I would think that going through an aneorobic digester, eg the Ghandian Gobar Gas concept, would be fine, as it does that two stage transformation, human to animal then animal to vegetable. 

Whilst one may accept  the idea of sharing from higher beings or not, it is important that Human Poo be not mixed with Human urine in any significant way if it can be separated and treated differently.

Hoping that resonates with some and assists with the treatment/composting, etc of these two important substances.

Time may help, but accurate processing may be far more efficacious, and time requires much storage, so more expense.

I welcome any other thoughts on this matter.

Cheers, 
Geoff Thomas, 
Australia  
 

On 5 Sep 2020, at 10:09 pm, Kevin McLean <info@...> wrote:

Does biochar charged with urine need to be stored for a month before application?

The WHO recommends that urine to be applied as fertilizer on food crops that are processed should be stored for a month to kill pathogens.  Urine should be stored for six months for crops that are eaten raw.  Is there a similar storage requirement for biochar charged with urine (or manure)?

Thank you,
Kevin

Kevin McLean, President
Sun24
Tampa, Florida, USA
+1 (813) 505-3340

                     


Re: Sterilize Biochar Charged with Urine #urine

David Yarrow
 

you wanna process urine?
lactobacillus.
if you can't come up with another culture, use saurkraut juice.
for a quick read about this, 
check hans-peter schmdt's article on "manure handling" on the ithaka institut website.

for a green & peaceful planet,
david yarrow


On Sat, Sep 5, 2020 at 9:40 AM Kevin McLean <info@...> wrote:
Does biochar charged with urine need to be stored for a month before application?

The WHO recommends that urine to be applied as fertilizer on food crops that are processed should be stored for a month to kill pathogens.  Urine should be stored for six months for crops that are eaten raw.  Is there a similar storage requirement for biochar charged with urine (or manure)?

Thank you,
Kevin

Kevin McLean, President
Sun24
Tampa, Florida, USA
+1 (813) 505-3340

                     


Re: Sterilize Biochar Charged with Urine #urine

Francesco Tortorici
 

Tom,
Take it somewhere else not here.
Francesco 

On Sat, Sep 5, 2020, 17:01 Tom Stephan <tom@...> wrote:
"Conspiracy theory" is a term invented originally by the C!A to marginalize truth seekers. 

On Sat, Sep 5, 2020, 6:24 PM Teel, Wayne <teelws@...> wrote:

Tom Stephan:  This is a biochar forum, not an outlet for conspiracy theories of any kind.  If you have one, take it someplace else.

Wayne

 

From: main@Biochar.groups.io <main@Biochar.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Stephan
Sent: Saturday, September 5, 2020 5:04 PM
To: main@biochar.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Biochar] Sterilize Biochar Charged with Urine

 

Jim. Yes, masks LOL, are the timid's security blankets. I did my due diligence 5 months ago by walking into two ERs, then calling my surgeon and talking to nurses in my family. Although the TV news showed hospital personnel working on many dying patients, I found nothing of the sort. Back then I informed as many as would listen that the pandemic is a hoax. The response was less than kind. 

 Last week the CDC published their audit findings, 9,200 total deaths due to Covid worldwide! But yet no one acts to stop the wearing of masks because they fail to look for themselves.

The "pandemic" will go down in history as one of the greatest hoaxes of all time. Right up there with the "Piltdown Man" and Fractional Reserve Banking.

The only thing scary to me about the pandemic is how readily the ignorant give up their rights to a psychopathic world government.

This "Deep State" government funded by Wall st. banksters are not profiting from bio- char, so it's not threatened by them yet. Right now they are merely ignoring it. When I begin marketing my products next year they, in all likelihood will attack my company, following a pattern of harrassment, IRS audits, denial of a 501c-3, property confiscation and dragging me through court, which began by the Obama administration. 

They are now responsible for the deaths occurring from lowered immune systems due to people breathing their own bodily wastes.

 

On Sat, Sep 5, 2020, 2:42 PM jim karnofski <karnask@...> wrote:

Hi Kevin and all,

 

You are using biochar appropriately to mitigate biological waste, preserve it from gassing off, and to prepare the valuable waste into fertilizer for your garden soil. Uniformity of biochar and biological waste is a problem so I always consider it too strong, unbalanced, or otherwise unfit for direct application to the garden soil. I have always found it judicious to mix that strong mix in with the general compost material for the ultimate going over and transition into the proper chemical species and redox for edible plants. All of this mellowing out of the harsh is done for free by your little friends in the compost piles.

 

The safe practice is to avoid the direct application of potentially infected night soil into growing beds. Endemic diseases found in Africa https://www.cdc.gov/parasites/schistosomiasis/disease.html are unlikely to be found in you or in the whole USA because we wisely use compost piles made of known inputs and the conditions for the existence of the disease do not exist here. I have not seen a case in my life and only studied it in advanced medical microbiology labs, so I think you are safe

 

But if you are in fear, you can always mask up if it makes you feel better. LOL

 

Trust your biochar and the microbiology of a compost pile to make raw inputs safe for use. If it is disgusting and terrible, it is. If it is cool, sweet, and pleasantly aromatic, it is ready for use in your garden.

 

Cheers,

 

Jim

 

 

 

 

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From: main@Biochar.groups.io <main@Biochar.groups.io> on behalf of Kevin McLean <info@...>
Sent: Saturday, September 5, 2020 5:09 AM
To: Biochar Listserv <biochar@groups.io>
Subject: [Biochar] Sterilize Biochar Charged with Urine

 

Does biochar charged with urine need to be stored for a month before application?

 

The WHO recommends that urine to be applied as fertilizer on food crops that are processed should be stored for a month to kill pathogens.  Urine should be stored for six months for crops that are eaten raw.  Is there a similar storage requirement for biochar charged with urine (or manure)?

 

Thank you,

Kevin

 

Kevin McLean, President

Sun24

Tampa, Florida, USA

+1 (813) 505-3340

 

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Re: Biochar US Laboratories #analysis #laboratories

Paul S Anderson
 

Edgar,

 

I do not see your company name nor contact info, so the only reply is via this Discussion Group.

 

Please contact me directly at    psanders@...  .   I am interested in how you intend to make your biochar.   I could have some alternatives that you might consider.  (RoCC kiln   at     www.woodgas.com/resources  )

 

Paul

 

Doc / Dr TLUD / Paul S. Anderson, PhD --- Website:   www.drtlud.com

         Email:  psanders@...       Skype:   paultlud

         Phone:  Office: 309-452-7072    Mobile & WhatsApp: 309-531-4434

Exec. Dir. of Juntos Energy Solutions NFP    Go to: www.JuntosNFP.org 

Inventor of RoCC kilns for biochar and energy:  See  www.woodgas.com

Author of “A Capitalist Carol” (free digital copies at www.capitalism21.org)

         with pages 88 – 94 about solving the world crisis for clean cookstoves.

 

From: main@Biochar.groups.io <main@Biochar.groups.io> On Behalf Of Edgar Ramirez via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, September 5, 2020 8:52 AM
To: Biochar@groups.io
Subject: [Biochar] Biochar US Laboratories

 

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Dear colleagues,

 

I am writing because recently we got a request to develop seaweed biochar from a company based in USA. We are a technology developing company and we have strong collaborations with US industries in the area of biofuels. However, biochar is a new branch in our company and we are looking to collaborate with an analytical facility in USA in order to provide certified reports. Could you please guide me to a company that can provide such reports or please provide an example  standard report format that US labs use to provide results to the clients (attached UK standards  as an example to know if they are similar to the USA Standards).

 

Without further ado,

Kind Regards 🍀

Edgar Ramirez Huerta, Ch.E

 

 


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Re: Sterilize Biochar Charged with Urine #urine

Jim Bartlett
 

Thank you Tom.

Sent from my mobile

On Sep 5, 2020, at 5:19 PM, Tom Miles <tmiles@...> wrote:



Wayne and others. Thank you for your messages.

 

This is a technical, not a political, forum. Policy discussion here only relate to biochars and biochar use.

 

Tom Stephan’s messages will now be moderated and the political messages have been deleted.

 

Thanks for your cooperation.

 

Tom Miles

List Owner


Re: Sterilize Biochar Charged with Urine #urine

Tom Miles
 

Wayne and others. Thank you for your messages.

 

This is a technical, not a political, forum. Policy discussion here only relate to biochars and biochar use.

 

Tom Stephan’s messages will now be moderated and the political messages have been deleted.

 

Thanks for your cooperation.

 

Tom Miles

List Owner


Re: Sterilize Biochar Charged with Urine #urine

Jim Bartlett
 

Thank you  Wayne!

To the original post, if one does not have a bladder infection, urine is sterile when it leaves the body. Most environmental regulations recognize that it can be easily contaminated with fecal matter, depending on how it is collected. If you’re a backyard guy collecting it in a bucket , you probably don’t have to worry. If the collection system has room for fecal or other contamination that’s a different story.

JB
Sent from my mobile

On Sep 5, 2020, at 4:24 PM, Teel, Wayne <teelws@...> wrote:



Tom Stephan:  This is a biochar forum, not an outlet for conspiracy theories of any kind.  If you have one, take it someplace else.

Wayne

 

From: main@Biochar.groups.io <main@Biochar.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Stephan
Sent: Saturday, September 5, 2020 5:04 PM
To: main@biochar.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Biochar] Sterilize Biochar Charged with Urine

 

Jim. Yes, masks LOL, are the timid's security blankets. I did my due diligence 5 months ago by walking into two ERs, then calling my surgeon and talking to nurses in my family. Although the TV news showed hospital personnel working on many dying patients, I found nothing of the sort. Back then I informed as many as would listen that the pandemic is a hoax. The response was less than kind. 

 Last week the CDC published their audit findings, 9,200 total deaths due to Covid worldwide! But yet no one acts to stop the wearing of masks because they fail to look for themselves.

The "pandemic" will go down in history as one of the greatest hoaxes of all time. Right up there with the "Piltdown Man" and Fractional Reserve Banking.

The only thing scary to me about the pandemic is how readily the ignorant give up their rights to a psychopathic world government.

This "Deep State" government funded by Wall st. banksters are not profiting from bio- char, so it's not threatened by them yet. Right now they are merely ignoring it. When I begin marketing my products next year they, in all likelihood will attack my company, following a pattern of harrassment, IRS audits, denial of a 501c-3, property confiscation and dragging me through court, which began by the Obama administration. 

They are now responsible for the deaths occurring from lowered immune systems due to people breathing their own bodily wastes.

 

On Sat, Sep 5, 2020, 2:42 PM jim karnofski <karnask@...> wrote:

Hi Kevin and all,

 

You are using biochar appropriately to mitigate biological waste, preserve it from gassing off, and to prepare the valuable waste into fertilizer for your garden soil. Uniformity of biochar and biological waste is a problem so I always consider it too strong, unbalanced, or otherwise unfit for direct application to the garden soil. I have always found it judicious to mix that strong mix in with the general compost material for the ultimate going over and transition into the proper chemical species and redox for edible plants. All of this mellowing out of the harsh is done for free by your little friends in the compost piles.

 

The safe practice is to avoid the direct application of potentially infected night soil into growing beds. Endemic diseases found in Africa https://www.cdc.gov/parasites/schistosomiasis/disease.html are unlikely to be found in you or in the whole USA because we wisely use compost piles made of known inputs and the conditions for the existence of the disease do not exist here. I have not seen a case in my life and only studied it in advanced medical microbiology labs, so I think you are safe

 

But if you are in fear, you can always mask up if it makes you feel better. LOL

 

Trust your biochar and the microbiology of a compost pile to make raw inputs safe for use. If it is disgusting and terrible, it is. If it is cool, sweet, and pleasantly aromatic, it is ready for use in your garden.

 

Cheers,

 

Jim

 

 

 

 

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From: main@Biochar.groups.io <main@Biochar.groups.io> on behalf of Kevin McLean <info@...>
Sent: Saturday, September 5, 2020 5:09 AM
To: Biochar Listserv <biochar@groups.io>
Subject: [Biochar] Sterilize Biochar Charged with Urine

 

Does biochar charged with urine need to be stored for a month before application?

 

The WHO recommends that urine to be applied as fertilizer on food crops that are processed should be stored for a month to kill pathogens.  Urine should be stored for six months for crops that are eaten raw.  Is there a similar storage requirement for biochar charged with urine (or manure)?

 

Thank you,

Kevin

 

Kevin McLean, President

Sun24

Tampa, Florida, USA

+1 (813) 505-3340

 

             

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Re: Sterilize Biochar Charged with Urine #urine

Teel, Wayne
 

Tom Stephan:  This is a biochar forum, not an outlet for conspiracy theories of any kind.  If you have one, take it someplace else.

Wayne

 

From: main@Biochar.groups.io <main@Biochar.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Stephan
Sent: Saturday, September 5, 2020 5:04 PM
To: main@biochar.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Biochar] Sterilize Biochar Charged with Urine

 

Jim. Yes, masks LOL, are the timid's security blankets. I did my due diligence 5 months ago by walking into two ERs, then calling my surgeon and talking to nurses in my family. Although the TV news showed hospital personnel working on many dying patients, I found nothing of the sort. Back then I informed as many as would listen that the pandemic is a hoax. The response was less than kind. 

 Last week the CDC published their audit findings, 9,200 total deaths due to Covid worldwide! But yet no one acts to stop the wearing of masks because they fail to look for themselves.

The "pandemic" will go down in history as one of the greatest hoaxes of all time. Right up there with the "Piltdown Man" and Fractional Reserve Banking.

The only thing scary to me about the pandemic is how readily the ignorant give up their rights to a psychopathic world government.

This "Deep State" government funded by Wall st. banksters are not profiting from bio- char, so it's not threatened by them yet. Right now they are merely ignoring it. When I begin marketing my products next year they, in all likelihood will attack my company, following a pattern of harrassment, IRS audits, denial of a 501c-3, property confiscation and dragging me through court, which began by the Obama administration. 

They are now responsible for the deaths occurring from lowered immune systems due to people breathing their own bodily wastes.

 

On Sat, Sep 5, 2020, 2:42 PM jim karnofski <karnask@...> wrote:

Hi Kevin and all,

 

You are using biochar appropriately to mitigate biological waste, preserve it from gassing off, and to prepare the valuable waste into fertilizer for your garden soil. Uniformity of biochar and biological waste is a problem so I always consider it too strong, unbalanced, or otherwise unfit for direct application to the garden soil. I have always found it judicious to mix that strong mix in with the general compost material for the ultimate going over and transition into the proper chemical species and redox for edible plants. All of this mellowing out of the harsh is done for free by your little friends in the compost piles.

 

The safe practice is to avoid the direct application of potentially infected night soil into growing beds. Endemic diseases found in Africa https://www.cdc.gov/parasites/schistosomiasis/disease.html are unlikely to be found in you or in the whole USA because we wisely use compost piles made of known inputs and the conditions for the existence of the disease do not exist here. I have not seen a case in my life and only studied it in advanced medical microbiology labs, so I think you are safe

 

But if you are in fear, you can always mask up if it makes you feel better. LOL

 

Trust your biochar and the microbiology of a compost pile to make raw inputs safe for use. If it is disgusting and terrible, it is. If it is cool, sweet, and pleasantly aromatic, it is ready for use in your garden.

 

Cheers,

 

Jim

 

 

 

 

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From: main@Biochar.groups.io <main@Biochar.groups.io> on behalf of Kevin McLean <info@...>
Sent: Saturday, September 5, 2020 5:09 AM
To: Biochar Listserv <biochar@groups.io>
Subject: [Biochar] Sterilize Biochar Charged with Urine

 

Does biochar charged with urine need to be stored for a month before application?

 

The WHO recommends that urine to be applied as fertilizer on food crops that are processed should be stored for a month to kill pathogens.  Urine should be stored for six months for crops that are eaten raw.  Is there a similar storage requirement for biochar charged with urine (or manure)?

 

Thank you,

Kevin

 

Kevin McLean, President

Sun24

Tampa, Florida, USA

+1 (813) 505-3340

 

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Re: Biochar US Laboratories #analysis #laboratories

mikethewormguy
 

On Sat, Sep 5, 2020 at 07:43 AM, Edgar Ramirez wrote:
Edgar,

An option to consider is to send the seaweed biochar sample to both an environmental lab and an agricultural lab. Each of these types of labs are specialists in their respective analytical areas and can provide defendable Cof A's.  If the seaweed is wild harvested than it will reflect what is in the water column it is growing in, both good and bad. Contact me via email and I can tell you which analytical labs I use.

Mike (mikethewormguy@...)


Re: Sterilize Biochar Charged with Urine #urine

jim karnofski
 

Hi Kevin and all,

You are using biochar appropriately to mitigate biological waste, preserve it from gassing off, and to prepare the valuable waste into fertilizer for your garden soil. Uniformity of biochar and biological waste is a problem so I always consider it too strong, unbalanced, or otherwise unfit for direct application to the garden soil. I have always found it judicious to mix that strong mix in with the general compost material for the ultimate going over and transition into the proper chemical species and redox for edible plants. All of this mellowing out of the harsh is done for free by your little friends in the compost piles.

The safe practice is to avoid the direct application of potentially infected night soil into growing beds. Endemic diseases found in Africa https://www.cdc.gov/parasites/schistosomiasis/disease.html are unlikely to be found in you or in the whole USA because we wisely use compost piles made of known inputs and the conditions for the existence of the disease do not exist here. I have not seen a case in my life and only studied it in advanced medical microbiology labs, so I think you are safe

But if you are in fear, you can always mask up if it makes you feel better. LOL

Trust your biochar and the microbiology of a compost pile to make raw inputs safe for use. If it is disgusting and terrible, it is. If it is cool, sweet, and pleasantly aromatic, it is ready for use in your garden.

Cheers,

Jim




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From: main@Biochar.groups.io <main@Biochar.groups.io> on behalf of Kevin McLean <info@...>
Sent: Saturday, September 5, 2020 5:09 AM
To: Biochar Listserv <biochar@groups.io>
Subject: [Biochar] Sterilize Biochar Charged with Urine
 
Does biochar charged with urine need to be stored for a month before application?

The WHO recommends that urine to be applied as fertilizer on food crops that are processed should be stored for a month to kill pathogens.  Urine should be stored for six months for crops that are eaten raw.  Is there a similar storage requirement for biochar charged with urine (or manure)?

Thank you,
Kevin

Kevin McLean, President
Sun24
Tampa, Florida, USA
+1 (813) 505-3340

                     


Re: Biochar US Laboratories #analysis #laboratories

Tom Miles
 

Edgar,

 

Thank you for your inquiry. The analysis which you attached was part of a project by our friends at the UK Biochar Research Center and the International Biochar Initiative to develop a series of “standard” analyses. Not all laboratories have the capability of performing all the analyses listed in the IBI Standard or the European Biochar Certificate nor are they needed depending on the applications. Several laboratories in the US have different capabilities depending on client needs. Many biochar suppliers have used Control Labs in California. Their suite of tests is based on the tiered IBI standards. Some US suppliers have had their biochars tested the designated EBC laboratory. US Biochar Initiative is in the process of interviewing laboratories so that we can update our list of laboratories and their capabilities. I will introduce you to the scientist who is doing that work so that you can determine which laboratories suit your needs. We will have the list on the USBI website before long.

 

Kind regards,

 

Tom

 

Tom Miles

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U.S. Biochar Initiative

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