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Paul S Anderson
 

Dear all,

 

The item below mentions   “supply and demand of CO2 Removal Certificates (CORCs).”    Is this a standard designation or is it specific to the carbon sequestration as conducted by Puro?   It is certainly in the “voluntary” category of making payments related to climate.   They discuss mismatches.   Something for all of us to  consider.

 

Paul

 

Doc / Dr TLUD / Paul S. Anderson, PhD --- Website:   www.drtlud.com

     Email:  psanders@...       Skype:   paultlud

     Phone:  Office: 309-452-7072    Mobile & WhatsApp: 309-531-4434

Exec. Dir. of Juntos Energy Solutions NFP

     Go to: www.JuntosNFP.org  to support woodgas (TLUD) projects

     incl. purchase of Woodgas Emission Reduction (WER) carbon credits

     and please tell you friends about these distinctive service efforts.

Author of “A Capitalist Carol” (free digital copies at www.capitalism21.org)

     with pages 88 – 94 about  solving the world crisis for clean cookstoves.

 

From: Antti <contact@...>
Sent: Wednesday, December 4, 2019 12:49 PM
To: Anderson, Paul <psanders@...>
Subject: Puro.earth | Go climate positive!

 

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What's new with Puro.earth?

New auction flow makes it easier to go climate positive
New website launched 
Puro.earth in COP-25

 

 

Image removed by sender.

 

New auction flow launched

 

The first version of auction process was designed to be as robust as possible in case of imbalance between the supply and demand of CO2 Removal Certificates (CORCs). However, double blind process resulted in unfortunate mismatches.   

The revised auction flow increases transparency and decreases likelihood of mismatches without compromising robustness. We are super excited to run the first auction with the new process starting on December 9th. If you want to join, send us an email.

 

 

New website launched

The new website hosts much more content and functionality than the first version. Already now the structure is clearer and in the future we will add service catalogue that enables our ecosystem members offer their services - such as carbon footprint calculation - to potential buyers and sellers. 

One of the Puro.earth original signatories, SEB, neutralized the emissions of their Sustainable Finance Summit with CORCs. You can find the success story here

 

 

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The Conference of Parties is the supreme decision making body following up on implementing the Paris Agreement. Puro.earth will take part in the Sustainable Innovation Forum sharing experiences from setting up the world's first carbon removal marketplace. If you are there, please contact antti@...

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Kevin Chisholm <kchisholm@...>
 

Hi Paul

 

It looks like Puro is simply “the new kid on the block”, setting up their own “Carbon Credit Sales” business. To develop a “Unique Selling Proposition” they simply put a different name on “Carbon Credits”.  

 

It is the “same-old-same-old”… they produce or acquire a “carbon removal credit” and sell it to a CO2 emitter, who then has a “license to add CO2 to the atmosphere”.

 

Biochar added to the soil, for an agricultural benefit, is indeed a “carbon removal mechanism”, but if it is “sold for a carbon credit”, the its beneficial carbon sequestering benefit is neutralized by a CO2 producer, with no net carbon removal benefit to the biosphere.

 

Best wishes,

 

Kevin

 

 

 

From: main@Biochar.groups.io [mailto:main@Biochar.groups.io] On Behalf Of Paul S Anderson
Sent: December 4, 2019 9:53 PM
To: Biochar@groups.io
Cc: Anderson, Paul <psanders@...>
Subject: [Biochar] FW: Puro.earth | Go climate positive!

 

Dear all,

 

The item below mentions   “supply and demand of CO2 Removal Certificates (CORCs).”    Is this a standard designation or is it specific to the carbon sequestration as conducted by Puro?   It is certainly in the “voluntary” category of making payments related to climate.   They discuss mismatches.   Something for all of us to  consider.

 

Paul

 

Doc / Dr TLUD / Paul S. Anderson, PhD --- Website:   www.drtlud.com

     Email:  psanders@...       Skype:   paultlud

     Phone:  Office: 309-452-7072    Mobile & WhatsApp: 309-531-4434

Exec. Dir. of Juntos Energy Solutions NFP

     Go to: www.JuntosNFP.org  to support woodgas (TLUD) projects

     incl. purchase of Woodgas Emission Reduction (WER) carbon credits

     and please tell you friends about these distinctive service efforts.

Author of “A Capitalist Carol” (free digital copies at www.capitalism21.org)

     with pages 88 – 94 about  solving the world crisis for clean cookstoves.

 

From: Antti <contact@...>
Sent: Wednesday, December 4, 2019 12:49 PM
To: Anderson, Paul <psanders@...>
Subject: Puro.earth | Go climate positive!

 

[This message came from an external source. If suspicious, report to abuse@...]

Image removed by sender.

What's new with Puro.earth?

New auction flow makes it easier to go climate positive
New website launched 
Puro.earth in COP-25

 

 

Image removed by sender.

 

New auction flow launched

 

The first version of auction process was designed to be as robust as possible in case of imbalance between the supply and demand of CO2 Removal Certificates (CORCs). However, double blind process resulted in unfortunate mismatches.   

The revised auction flow increases transparency and decreases likelihood of mismatches without compromising robustness. We are super excited to run the first auction with the new process starting on December 9th. If you want to join, send us an email.

 

 

New website launched

The new website hosts much more content and functionality than the first version. Already now the structure is clearer and in the future we will add service catalogue that enables our ecosystem members offer their services - such as carbon footprint calculation - to potential buyers and sellers. 

One of the Puro.earth original signatories, SEB, neutralized the emissions of their Sustainable Finance Summit with CORCs. You can find the success story here

 

 

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Puro.earth in COP-25

The Conference of Parties is the supreme decision making body following up on implementing the Paris Agreement. Puro.earth will take part in the Sustainable Innovation Forum sharing experiences from setting up the world's first carbon removal marketplace. If you are there, please contact antti@...

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Tomaso Bertoli - CISV
 

Look it the other way

 

A company is willing to help or more simply its pressured by its clients to do something climate wise

 

The company pays someone else who is in the position to actually and profitably sequester CO2 in the form of biochar

 

From the perspective of the farmer it’s a good deal … the farmer knows that biochar is good for the soil and for agricultural output but does not have the money to pay \ invest in it … not only buying but also applying 

 

What is wrong if a bank parts with cash and farmer gets the cash to start using biochar

 

T

 

Da: main@Biochar.groups.io <main@Biochar.groups.io> Per conto di Kevin Chisholm
Inviato: giovedì 5 dicembre 2019 06:00
A: main@Biochar.groups.io
Oggetto: Re: [Biochar] FW: Puro.earth | Go climate positive!

 

Hi Paul

 

It looks like Puro is simply “the new kid on the block”, setting up their own “Carbon Credit Sales” business. To develop a “Unique Selling Proposition” they simply put a different name on “Carbon Credits”.  

 

It is the “same-old-same-old”… they produce or acquire a “carbon removal credit” and sell it to a CO2 emitter, who then has a “license to add CO2 to the atmosphere”.

 

Biochar added to the soil, for an agricultural benefit, is indeed a “carbon removal mechanism”, but if it is “sold for a carbon credit”, the its beneficial carbon sequestering benefit is neutralized by a CO2 producer, with no net carbon removal benefit to the biosphere.

 

Best wishes,

 

Kevin

 

 

 

From: main@Biochar.groups.io [mailto:main@Biochar.groups.io] On Behalf Of Paul S Anderson
Sent: December 4, 2019 9:53 PM
To: Biochar@groups.io
Cc: Anderson, Paul <psanders@...>
Subject: [Biochar] FW: Puro.earth | Go climate positive!

 

Dear all,

 

The item below mentions   “supply and demand of CO2 Removal Certificates (CORCs).”    Is this a standard designation or is it specific to the carbon sequestration as conducted by Puro?   It is certainly in the “voluntary” category of making payments related to climate.   They discuss mismatches.   Something for all of us to  consider.

 

Paul

 

Doc / Dr TLUD / Paul S. Anderson, PhD --- Website:   www.drtlud.com

     Email:  psanders@...       Skype:   paultlud

     Phone:  Office: 309-452-7072    Mobile & WhatsApp: 309-531-4434

Exec. Dir. of Juntos Energy Solutions NFP

     Go to: www.JuntosNFP.org  to support woodgas (TLUD) projects

     incl. purchase of Woodgas Emission Reduction (WER) carbon credits

     and please tell you friends about these distinctive service efforts.

Author of “A Capitalist Carol” (free digital copies at www.capitalism21.org)

     with pages 88 – 94 about  solving the world crisis for clean cookstoves.

 

From: Antti <contact@...>
Sent: Wednesday, December 4, 2019 12:49 PM
To: Anderson, Paul <psanders@...>
Subject: Puro.earth | Go climate positive!

 

[This message came from an external source. If suspicious, report to abuse@...]

Image removed by sender.

What's new with Puro.earth?

New auction flow makes it easier to go climate positive
New website launched 
Puro.earth in COP-25

 

 

Image removed by sender.

 

New auction flow launched

 

The first version of auction process was designed to be as robust as possible in case of imbalance between the supply and demand of CO2 Removal Certificates (CORCs). However, double blind process resulted in unfortunate mismatches.   

The revised auction flow increases transparency and decreases likelihood of mismatches without compromising robustness. We are super excited to run the first auction with the new process starting on December 9th. If you want to join, send us an email.

 

 

New website launched

The new website hosts much more content and functionality than the first version. Already now the structure is clearer and in the future we will add service catalogue that enables our ecosystem members offer their services - such as carbon footprint calculation - to potential buyers and sellers. 

One of the Puro.earth original signatories, SEB, neutralized the emissions of their Sustainable Finance Summit with CORCs. You can find the success story here

 

 

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Puro.earth in COP-25

The Conference of Parties is the supreme decision making body following up on implementing the Paris Agreement. Puro.earth will take part in the Sustainable Innovation Forum sharing experiences from setting up the world's first carbon removal marketplace. If you are there, please contact antti@...

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Kevin Chisholm <kchisholm@...>
 

Hi Tomasso

 

You ask below:

What is wrong if a bank parts with cash and farmer gets the cash to start using biochar?  

 

There are two answers to that question, depending on the context in which the question is asked, and the intended purpose of the biochar addition to the soil:

 

1: Revenue from sale of Carbon Credits is indeed a good way to help finance the production and use of biochar. However, there is no net benefit to the biosphere, in terms of CO2 removal, in that the carbon sequestration benefits provided by the use of biochar are neutralized by the burning of fossil fuels. At the best, such biochars have a neutral “Climate Change Benefit”, and truly cannot be credited with a “Biosphere Carbon Reduction Benefit.”

 

2: Biochar applied to the soil can indeed give the Farmer a direct benefit, and if its “carbon sequestering feature” is not sold as a “Carbon Credit”, then such biochar is indeed removing carbon from the biosphere, and can truly take credit for it. However, with the absence of a carbon credit payment, the Farmer’s return on his biochar investment is reduced.

 

Best wishes,

 

Kevin

 

From: main@Biochar.groups.io [mailto:main@Biochar.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tomaso Bertoli - CISV
Sent: December 5, 2019 4:57 AM
To: main@Biochar.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Biochar] FW: Puro.earth | Go climate positive!

 

Look it the other way

 

A company is willing to help or more simply its pressured by its clients to do something climate wise

 

The company pays someone else who is in the position to actually and profitably sequester CO2 in the form of biochar

 

From the perspective of the farmer it’s a good deal … the farmer knows that biochar is good for the soil and for agricultural output but does not have the money to pay \ invest in it … not only buying but also applying 

 

What is wrong if a bank parts with cash and farmer gets the cash to start using biochar

 

T

 

Da: main@Biochar.groups.io <main@Biochar.groups.io> Per conto di Kevin Chisholm
Inviato: giovedì 5 dicembre 2019 06:00
A:
main@Biochar.groups.io
Oggetto: Re: [Biochar] FW: Puro.earth | Go climate positive!

 

Hi Paul

 

It looks like Puro is simply “the new kid on the block”, setting up their own “Carbon Credit Sales” business. To develop a “Unique Selling Proposition” they simply put a different name on “Carbon Credits”.  

 

It is the “same-old-same-old”… they produce or acquire a “carbon removal credit” and sell it to a CO2 emitter, who then has a “license to add CO2 to the atmosphere”.

 

Biochar added to the soil, for an agricultural benefit, is indeed a “carbon removal mechanism”, but if it is “sold for a carbon credit”, the its beneficial carbon sequestering benefit is neutralized by a CO2 producer, with no net carbon removal benefit to the biosphere.

 

Best wishes,

 

Kevin

 

 

 

From: main@Biochar.groups.io [mailto:main@Biochar.groups.io] On Behalf Of Paul S Anderson
Sent: December 4, 2019 9:53 PM
To:
Biochar@groups.io
Cc: Anderson, Paul <
psanders@...>
Subject: [Biochar] FW: Puro.earth | Go climate positive!

 

Dear all,

 

The item below mentions   “supply and demand of CO2 Removal Certificates (CORCs).”    Is this a standard designation or is it specific to the carbon sequestration as conducted by Puro?   It is certainly in the “voluntary” category of making payments related to climate.   They discuss mismatches.   Something for all of us to  consider.

 

Paul

 

Doc / Dr TLUD / Paul S. Anderson, PhD --- Website:   www.drtlud.com

     Email:  psanders@...       Skype:   paultlud

     Phone:  Office: 309-452-7072    Mobile & WhatsApp: 309-531-4434

Exec. Dir. of Juntos Energy Solutions NFP

     Go to: www.JuntosNFP.org  to support woodgas (TLUD) projects

     incl. purchase of Woodgas Emission Reduction (WER) carbon credits

     and please tell you friends about these distinctive service efforts.

Author of “A Capitalist Carol” (free digital copies at www.capitalism21.org)

     with pages 88 – 94 about  solving the world crisis for clean cookstoves.

 

From: Antti <contact@...>
Sent: Wednesday, December 4, 2019 12:49 PM
To: Anderson, Paul <
psanders@...>
Subject: Puro.earth | Go climate positive!

 

[This message came from an external source. If suspicious, report to abuse@...]

Image removed by sender.

What's new with Puro.earth?

New auction flow makes it easier to go climate positive
New website launched 
Puro.earth in COP-25

 

 

Image removed by sender.

 

New auction flow launched

 

The first version of auction process was designed to be as robust as possible in case of imbalance between the supply and demand of CO2 Removal Certificates (CORCs). However, double blind process resulted in unfortunate mismatches.   

The revised auction flow increases transparency and decreases likelihood of mismatches without compromising robustness. We are super excited to run the first auction with the new process starting on December 9th. If you want to join, send us an email.

 

 

New website launched

The new website hosts much more content and functionality than the first version. Already now the structure is clearer and in the future we will add service catalogue that enables our ecosystem members offer their services - such as carbon footprint calculation - to potential buyers and sellers. 

One of the Puro.earth original signatories, SEB, neutralized the emissions of their Sustainable Finance Summit with CORCs. You can find the success story
here

 

 

Image removed by sender.

Puro.earth in COP-25

The Conference of Parties is the supreme decision making body following up on implementing the Paris Agreement. Puro.earth will take part in the Sustainable Innovation Forum sharing experiences from setting up the world's first carbon removal marketplace. If you are there, please contact antti@...

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Paul S Anderson
 

Kevin and Tomaso,

 

The rationale of carbon credits is to get money from those who can afford it (and who recognize their “guilt” for causing of CO2e emissions) and put that money to stimulate others for CO2e reductions OR for CO2 removal.

 

It will be eons of time before we get to zero carbon (targets of 2050 will be hard to attain, IMO), which is when REVERSAL could finally start for the Earth to become carbon negative for a long time while lowering the  CO2 concentration in the atmosphere.    Meanwhile, during the present times, allowing someone or some entity to offset their “badness” is a worthy step, not a permission-slip to be bad, but a recognition of their trying to be less bad than they are at present.  

 

That concept is a hard sell to many who are deniers or who are motivated by making more CO2 emissions. 

 

In the end, a person or company should be judged by its NET change in emissions during a time period.  

 

Paul  

 

Doc / Dr TLUD / Paul S. Anderson, PhD --- Website:   www.drtlud.com

     Email:  psanders@...       Skype:   paultlud

     Phone:  Office: 309-452-7072    Mobile & WhatsApp: 309-531-4434

Exec. Dir. of Juntos Energy Solutions NFP

     Go to: www.JuntosNFP.org  to support woodgas (TLUD) projects

     incl. purchase of Woodgas Emission Reduction (WER) carbon credits

     and please tell you friends about these distinctive service efforts.

Author of “A Capitalist Carol” (free digital copies at www.capitalism21.org)

     with pages 88 – 94 about  solving the world crisis for clean cookstoves.

 

From: main@Biochar.groups.io <main@Biochar.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kevin Chisholm via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, December 6, 2019 1:58 PM
To: main@Biochar.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Biochar] FW: Puro.earth | Go climate positive!

 

[This message came from an external source. If suspicious, report to abuse@...]

Hi Tomasso

 

You ask below:

What is wrong if a bank parts with cash and farmer gets the cash to start using biochar?  

 

There are two answers to that question, depending on the context in which the question is asked, and the intended purpose of the biochar addition to the soil:

 

1: Revenue from sale of Carbon Credits is indeed a good way to help finance the production and use of biochar. However, there is no net benefit to the biosphere, in terms of CO2 removal, in that the carbon sequestration benefits provided by the use of biochar are neutralized by the burning of fossil fuels. At the best, such biochars have a neutral “Climate Change Benefit”, and truly cannot be credited with a “Biosphere Carbon Reduction Benefit.”

 

2: Biochar applied to the soil can indeed give the Farmer a direct benefit, and if its “carbon sequestering feature” is not sold as a “Carbon Credit”, then such biochar is indeed removing carbon from the biosphere, and can truly take credit for it. However, with the absence of a carbon credit payment, the Farmer’s return on his biochar investment is reduced.

 

Best wishes,

 

Kevin

 

 

From: main@Biochar.groups.io [mailto:main@Biochar.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tomaso Bertoli - CISV
Sent: December 5, 2019 4:57 AM
To: main@Biochar.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Biochar] FW: Puro.earth | Go climate positive!

 

Look it the other way

 

A company is willing to help or more simply its pressured by its clients to do something climate wise

 

The company pays someone else who is in the position to actually and profitably sequester CO2 in the form of biochar

 

From the perspective of the farmer it’s a good deal … the farmer knows that biochar is good for the soil and for agricultural output but does not have the money to pay \ invest in it … not only buying but also applying 

 

What is wrong if a bank parts with cash and farmer gets the cash to start using biochar

 

T

 

Da: main@Biochar.groups.io <main@Biochar.groups.io> Per conto di Kevin Chisholm
Inviato: giovedì 5 dicembre 2019 06:00
A:
main@Biochar.groups.io
Oggetto: Re: [Biochar] FW: Puro.earth | Go climate positive!

 

Hi Paul

 

It looks like Puro is simply “the new kid on the block”, setting up their own “Carbon Credit Sales” business. To develop a “Unique Selling Proposition” they simply put a different name on “Carbon Credits”.  

 

It is the “same-old-same-old”… they produce or acquire a “carbon removal credit” and sell it to a CO2 emitter, who then has a “license to add CO2 to the atmosphere”.

 

Biochar added to the soil, for an agricultural benefit, is indeed a “carbon removal mechanism”, but if it is “sold for a carbon credit”, the its beneficial carbon sequestering benefit is neutralized by a CO2 producer, with no net carbon removal benefit to the biosphere.

 

Best wishes,

 

Kevin

 

 

 

From: main@Biochar.groups.io [mailto:main@Biochar.groups.io] On Behalf Of Paul S Anderson
Sent: December 4, 2019 9:53 PM
To: Biochar@groups.io
Cc: Anderson, Paul <psanders@...>
Subject: [Biochar] FW: Puro.earth | Go climate positive!

 

Dear all,

 

The item below mentions   “supply and demand of CO2 Removal Certificates (CORCs).”    Is this a standard designation or is it specific to the carbon sequestration as conducted by Puro?   It is certainly in the “voluntary” category of making payments related to climate.   They discuss mismatches.   Something for all of us to  consider.

 

Paul

 

Doc / Dr TLUD / Paul S. Anderson, PhD --- Website:   www.drtlud.com

     Email:  psanders@...       Skype:   paultlud

     Phone:  Office: 309-452-7072    Mobile & WhatsApp: 309-531-4434

Exec. Dir. of Juntos Energy Solutions NFP

     Go to: www.JuntosNFP.org  to support woodgas (TLUD) projects

     incl. purchase of Woodgas Emission Reduction (WER) carbon credits

     and please tell you friends about these distinctive service efforts.

Author of “A Capitalist Carol” (free digital copies at www.capitalism21.org)

     with pages 88 – 94 about  solving the world crisis for clean cookstoves.

 

From: Antti <contact@...>
Sent: Wednesday, December 4, 2019 12:49 PM
To: Anderson, Paul <psanders@...>
Subject: Puro.earth | Go climate positive!

 

[This message came from an external source. If suspicious, report to abuse@...]

Image removed by sender.

What's new with Puro.earth?

New auction flow makes it easier to go climate positive
New website launched 
Puro.earth in COP-25

 

 

Image removed by sender.

 

New auction flow launched

 

The first version of auction process was designed to be as robust as possible in case of imbalance between the supply and demand of CO2 Removal Certificates (CORCs). However, double blind process resulted in unfortunate mismatches.   

The revised auction flow increases transparency and decreases likelihood of mismatches without compromising robustness. We are super excited to run the first auction with the new process starting on December 9th. If you want to join, send us an email.

 

 

New website launched

The new website hosts much more content and functionality than the first version. Already now the structure is clearer and in the future we will add service catalogue that enables our ecosystem members offer their services - such as carbon footprint calculation - to potential buyers and sellers. 

One of the Puro.earth original signatories, SEB, neutralized the emissions of their Sustainable Finance Summit with CORCs. You can find the success story
here

 

 

Image removed by sender.

Puro.earth in COP-25

The Conference of Parties is the supreme decision making body following up on implementing the Paris Agreement. Puro.earth will take part in the Sustainable Innovation Forum sharing experiences from setting up the world's first carbon removal marketplace. If you are there, please contact antti@...

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Kim LaDuke
 

All:
C02 "credits" may very well be the most meaningless government scam this century.
If you follow the money, it may become obvious.
For those that can think, think about what attracts heat from the sun.
Darkness, as in particulate matter, attracts heat from sunlight.
What is a primary reason for glacier melt?  Dirt on the ice.
Solution?  Clean the air, let C02 help grow trees, and plant them, and anything that will grow.
Query:  How much dust is in outer space?  How much does the sun raise the temperatures in outer space?

p.s.  Every disturbance, whether man made or an act of nature changes the earth.
There is a lovely book published a generation ago:  "Positive impact forestry"  following that principal may do more for climate control than any tax and cap "smoke and mirrors" government scheme.
Send your bullets and bomb, but this is my belief.
(The man who planted trees)  Kim


From: main@Biochar.groups.io <main@Biochar.groups.io> on behalf of Paul S Anderson <psanders@...>
Sent: Saturday, December 7, 2019 2:16 PM
To: main@Biochar.groups.io <main@Biochar.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Biochar] FW: Puro.earth | Go climate positive!
 

Kevin and Tomaso,

 

The rationale of carbon credits is to get money from those who can afford it (and who recognize their “guilt” for causing of CO2e emissions) and put that money to stimulate others for CO2e reductions OR for CO2 removal.

 

It will be eons of time before we get to zero carbon (targets of 2050 will be hard to attain, IMO), which is when REVERSAL could finally start for the Earth to become carbon negative for a long time while lowering the  CO2 concentration in the atmosphere.    Meanwhile, during the present times, allowing someone or some entity to offset their “badness” is a worthy step, not a permission-slip to be bad, but a recognition of their trying to be less bad than they are at present.  

 

That concept is a hard sell to many who are deniers or who are motivated by making more CO2 emissions. 

 

In the end, a person or company should be judged by its NET change in emissions during a time period.  

 

Paul  

 

Doc / Dr TLUD / Paul S. Anderson, PhD --- Website:   www.drtlud.com

     Email:  psanders@...       Skype:   paultlud

     Phone:  Office: 309-452-7072    Mobile & WhatsApp: 309-531-4434

Exec. Dir. of Juntos Energy Solutions NFP

     Go to: www.JuntosNFP.org  to support woodgas (TLUD) projects

     incl. purchase of Woodgas Emission Reduction (WER) carbon credits

     and please tell you friends about these distinctive service efforts.

Author of “A Capitalist Carol” (free digital copies at www.capitalism21.org)

     with pages 88 – 94 about  solving the world crisis for clean cookstoves.

 

From: main@Biochar.groups.io <main@Biochar.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kevin Chisholm via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, December 6, 2019 1:58 PM
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Hi Tomasso

 

You ask below:

What is wrong if a bank parts with cash and farmer gets the cash to start using biochar?  

 

There are two answers to that question, depending on the context in which the question is asked, and the intended purpose of the biochar addition to the soil:

 

1: Revenue from sale of Carbon Credits is indeed a good way to help finance the production and use of biochar. However, there is no net benefit to the biosphere, in terms of CO2 removal, in that the carbon sequestration benefits provided by the use of biochar are neutralized by the burning of fossil fuels. At the best, such biochars have a neutral “Climate Change Benefit”, and truly cannot be credited with a “Biosphere Carbon Reduction Benefit.”

 

2: Biochar applied to the soil can indeed give the Farmer a direct benefit, and if its “carbon sequestering feature” is not sold as a “Carbon Credit”, then such biochar is indeed removing carbon from the biosphere, and can truly take credit for it. However, with the absence of a carbon credit payment, the Farmer’s return on his biochar investment is reduced.

 

Best wishes,

 

Kevin

 

 

From: main@Biochar.groups.io [mailto:main@Biochar.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tomaso Bertoli - CISV
Sent: December 5, 2019 4:57 AM
To: main@Biochar.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Biochar] FW: Puro.earth | Go climate positive!

 

Look it the other way

 

A company is willing to help or more simply its pressured by its clients to do something climate wise

 

The company pays someone else who is in the position to actually and profitably sequester CO2 in the form of biochar

 

From the perspective of the farmer it’s a good deal … the farmer knows that biochar is good for the soil and for agricultural output but does not have the money to pay \ invest in it … not only buying but also applying 

 

What is wrong if a bank parts with cash and farmer gets the cash to start using biochar

 

T

 

Da: main@Biochar.groups.io <main@Biochar.groups.io> Per conto di Kevin Chisholm
Inviato: giovedì 5 dicembre 2019 06:00
A:
main@Biochar.groups.io
Oggetto: Re: [Biochar] FW: Puro.earth | Go climate positive!

 

Hi Paul

 

It looks like Puro is simply “the new kid on the block”, setting up their own “Carbon Credit Sales” business. To develop a “Unique Selling Proposition” they simply put a different name on “Carbon Credits”.  

 

It is the “same-old-same-old”… they produce or acquire a “carbon removal credit” and sell it to a CO2 emitter, who then has a “license to add CO2 to the atmosphere”.

 

Biochar added to the soil, for an agricultural benefit, is indeed a “carbon removal mechanism”, but if it is “sold for a carbon credit”, the its beneficial carbon sequestering benefit is neutralized by a CO2 producer, with no net carbon removal benefit to the biosphere.

 

Best wishes,

 

Kevin

 

 

 

From: main@Biochar.groups.io [mailto:main@Biochar.groups.io] On Behalf Of Paul S Anderson
Sent: December 4, 2019 9:53 PM
To: Biochar@groups.io
Cc: Anderson, Paul <psanders@...>
Subject: [Biochar] FW: Puro.earth | Go climate positive!

 

Dear all,

 

The item below mentions   “supply and demand of CO2 Removal Certificates (CORCs).”    Is this a standard designation or is it specific to the carbon sequestration as conducted by Puro?   It is certainly in the “voluntary” category of making payments related to climate.   They discuss mismatches.   Something for all of us to  consider.

 

Paul

 

Doc / Dr TLUD / Paul S. Anderson, PhD --- Website:   www.drtlud.com

     Email:  psanders@...       Skype:   paultlud

     Phone:  Office: 309-452-7072    Mobile & WhatsApp: 309-531-4434

Exec. Dir. of Juntos Energy Solutions NFP

     Go to: www.JuntosNFP.org  to support woodgas (TLUD) projects

     incl. purchase of Woodgas Emission Reduction (WER) carbon credits

     and please tell you friends about these distinctive service efforts.

Author of “A Capitalist Carol” (free digital copies at www.capitalism21.org)

     with pages 88 – 94 about  solving the world crisis for clean cookstoves.

 

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Sent: Wednesday, December 4, 2019 12:49 PM
To: Anderson, Paul <psanders@...>
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New website launched 
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New auction flow launched

 

The first version of auction process was designed to be as robust as possible in case of imbalance between the supply and demand of CO2 Removal Certificates (CORCs). However, double blind process resulted in unfortunate mismatches.   

The revised auction flow increases transparency and decreases likelihood of mismatches without compromising robustness. We are super excited to run the first auction with the new process starting on December 9th. If you want to join, send us an email.

 

 

New website launched

The new website hosts much more content and functionality than the first version. Already now the structure is clearer and in the future we will add service catalogue that enables our ecosystem members offer their services - such as carbon footprint calculation - to potential buyers and sellers. 

One of the Puro.earth original signatories, SEB, neutralized the emissions of their Sustainable Finance Summit with CORCs. You can find the success story
here

 

 

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Geoff Thomas
 

Kim, it is a bit hard to answer your letter because you make some difficult claims, eg, by following the money that coal and nuclear generated power receives is not a scam but the little that renewabes receive is a scam? 
Dirt on ice may happen, but remember that the wind is coming down, ie is catabatic, so not carrying much, and in any case is soon covered.
That the darkness attracts light is not a proven observable phenomena, otherwise the night would be as bright as the day.
Unfortunately you did not read the posts already on this thread before putting your own in their place so I am rejoining them to the thread as they balance your opinion. - I have no problems with the planting of trees however.

"I agree with Kevin that if it is just carbon credits allowing the burning of fossil fuels, there is not much gain, but if the carbon credits are valued highly, then the fossil fuel users will be negatively affected.
When it becomes cheaper to make steel using renewable electricity,  then steel makers will move away from using fossil fuel heating, and the greater the price differential the faster they will so do.
That is why the share of electricity in the US generated by Coal is down to 14% this year and estimated by Moodies to drop to 11% next year which has led Moodies to downgrade the credit on un-dug coal as they don’t believe it will be dug up.
Pure economics.

Geoff Thomas.

on 5 Dec 2019, at 6:56 pm, Tomaso Bertoli - CISV <tomaso.bertoli@...> wrote:


Look it the other way 
 
A company is willing to help or more simply its pressured by its clients to do something climate wise
 
The company pays someone else who is in the position to actually and profitably sequester CO2 in the form of biochar 
 
From the perspective of the farmer it’s a good deal … the farmer knows that biochar is good for the soil and for agricultural output but does not have the money to pay \ invest in it … not only buying but also applying  
 
What is wrong if a bank parts with cash and farmer gets the cash to start using biochar 
 
T
 
On 8 Dec 2019, at 8:25 am, Kim LaDuke <kim_laduke@...> wrote:

All:
C02 "credits" may very well be the most meaningless government scam this century.
If you follow the money, it may become obvious.
For those that can think, think about what attracts heat from the sun.
Darkness, as in particulate matter, attracts heat from sunlight.
What is a primary reason for glacier melt?  Dirt on the ice.
Solution?  Clean the air, let C02 help grow trees, and plant them, and anything that will grow.
Query:  How much dust is in outer space?  How much does the sun raise the temperatures in outer space?

p.s.  Every disturbance, whether man made or an act of nature changes the earth.
There is a lovely book published a generation ago:  "Positive impact forestry"  following that principal may do more for climate control than any tax and cap "smoke and mirrors" government scheme.
Send your bullets and bomb, but this is my belief.
(The man who planted trees)  Kim


From: main@Biochar.groups.io <main@Biochar.groups.io> on behalf of Paul S Anderson <psanders@...>
Sent: Saturday, December 7, 2019 2:16 PM
To: main@Biochar.groups.io <main@Biochar.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Biochar] FW: Puro.earth | Go climate positive!
 
Kevin and Tomaso,

 

The rationale of carbon credits is to get money from those who can afford it (and who recognize their “guilt” for causing of CO2e emissions) and put that money to stimulate others for CO2e reductions OR for CO2 removal.

 

It will be eons of time before we get to zero carbon (targets of 2050 will be hard to attain, IMO), which is when REVERSAL could finally start for the Earth to become carbon negative for a long time while lowering the  CO2 concentration in the atmosphere.    Meanwhile, during the present times, allowing someone or some entity to offset their “badness” is a worthy step, not a permission-slip to be bad, but a recognition of their trying to be less bad than they are at present.  

 

That concept is a hard sell to many who are deniers or who are motivated by making more CO2 emissions. 

 

In the end, a person or company should be judged by its NET change in emissions during a time period.  

 

Paul   

 

Doc / Dr TLUD / Paul S. Anderson, PhD --- Website:   www.drtlud.com
     Email:  psanders@...       Skype:   paultlud
     Phone:  Office: 309-452-7072    Mobile & WhatsApp: 309-531-4434
Exec. Dir. of Juntos Energy Solutions NFP 
     Go to: www.JuntosNFP.org  to support woodgas (TLUD) projects
     incl. purchase of Woodgas Emission Reduction (WER) carbon credits
     and please tell you friends about these distinctive service efforts.
Author of “A Capitalist Carol” (free digital copies at www.capitalism21.org)
     with pages 88 – 94 about  solving the world crisis for clean cookstoves. 

 

From: main@Biochar.groups.io <main@Biochar.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kevin Chisholm via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, December 6, 2019 1:58 PM
To: main@Biochar.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Biochar] FW: Puro.earth | Go climate positive!

 

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Hi Tomasso

 

You ask below:
What is wrong if a bank parts with cash and farmer gets the cash to start using biochar?  

 

There are two answers to that question, depending on the context in which the question is asked, and the intended purpose of the biochar addition to the soil:

 

1: Revenue from sale of Carbon Credits is indeed a good way to help finance the production and use of biochar. However, there is no net benefit to the biosphere, in terms of CO2 removal, in that the carbon sequestration benefits provided by the use of biochar are neutralized by the burning of fossil fuels. At the best, such biochars have a neutral “Climate Change Benefit”, and truly cannot be credited with a “Biosphere Carbon Reduction Benefit.”

 

2: Biochar applied to the soil can indeed give the Farmer a direct benefit, and if its “carbon sequestering feature” is not sold as a “Carbon Credit”, then such biochar is indeed removing carbon from the biosphere, and can truly take credit for it. However, with the absence of a carbon credit payment, the Farmer’s return on his biochar investment is reduced.

 

Best wishes,

 

Kevin

 

 

From: main@Biochar.groups.io [mailto:main@Biochar.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tomaso Bertoli - CISV
Sent: December 5, 2019 4:57 AM
To: main@Biochar.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Biochar] FW: Puro.earth | Go climate positive!

 

Look it the other way 

 

A company is willing to help or more simply its pressured by its clients to do something climate wise

 

The company pays someone else who is in the position to actually and profitably sequester CO2 in the form of biochar

 

From the perspective of the farmer it’s a good deal … the farmer knows that biochar is good for the soil and for agricultural output but does not have the money to pay \ invest in it … not only buying but also applying 

 

What is wrong if a bank parts with cash and farmer gets the cash to start using biochar

 

T

 

Da: main@Biochar.groups.io <main@Biochar.groups.io> Per conto di Kevin Chisholm
Inviato: giovedì 5 dicembre 2019 06:00
A: 
main@Biochar.groups.io
Oggetto: Re: [Biochar] FW: Puro.earth | Go climate positive!

 

Hi Paul

 

It looks like Puro is simply “the new kid on the block”, setting up their own “Carbon Credit Sales” business. To develop a “Unique Selling Proposition” they simply put a different name on “Carbon Credits”.  

 

It is the “same-old-same-old”… they produce or acquire a “carbon removal credit” and sell it to a CO2 emitter, who then has a “license to add CO2 to the atmosphere”.

 

Biochar added to the soil, for an agricultural benefit, is indeed a “carbon removal mechanism”, but if it is “sold for a carbon credit”, the its beneficial carbon sequestering benefit is neutralized by a CO2 producer, with no net carbon removal benefit to the biosphere.

 

Best wishes,

 

Kevin

 

 

 

From: main@Biochar.groups.io [mailto:main@Biochar.groups.io] On Behalf Of Paul S Anderson
Sent: December 4, 2019 9:53 PM
To: Biochar@groups.io
Cc: Anderson, Paul <psanders@...>
Subject: [Biochar] FW: Puro.earth | Go climate positive!

 

Dear all,

 

The item below mentions   “supply and demand of CO2 Removal Certificates (CORCs).”    Is this a standard designation or is it specific to the carbon sequestration as conducted by Puro?   It is certainly in the “voluntary” category of making payments related to climate.   They discuss mismatches.   Something for all of us to  consider.

 

Paul

 

Doc / Dr TLUD / Paul S. Anderson, PhD --- Website:   www.drtlud.com
     Email:  psanders@...       Skype:   paultlud
     Phone:  Office: 309-452-7072    Mobile & WhatsApp: 309-531-4434
Exec. Dir. of Juntos Energy Solutions NFP 
     Go to: www.JuntosNFP.org  to support woodgas (TLUD) projects
     incl. purchase of Woodgas Emission Reduction (WER) carbon credits
     and please tell you friends about these distinctive service efforts.
Author of “A Capitalist Carol” (free digital copies at www.capitalism21.org)
     with pages 88 – 94 about  solving the world crisis for clean cookstoves. 

 

From: Antti <contact@...> 
Sent: Wednesday, December 4, 2019 12:49 PM
To: Anderson, Paul <psanders@...>
Subject: Puro.earth | Go climate positive!

 

[This message came from an external source. If suspicious, report to abuse@...]

What's new with Puro.earth?

New auction flow makes it easier to go climate positive
New website launched 
Puro.earth in COP-25

 

 

 

New auction flow launched

 

The first version of auction process was designed to be as robust as possible in case of imbalance between the supply and demand of CO2 Removal Certificates (CORCs). However, double blind process resulted in unfortunate mismatches.    
The revised auction flow increases transparency and decreases likelihood of mismatches without compromising robustness. We are super excited to run the first auction with the new process starting on December 9th. If you want to join, send us an email.

 

 

New website launched

The new website hosts much more content and functionality than the first version. Already now the structure is clearer and in the future we will add service catalogue that enables our ecosystem members offer their services - such as carbon footprint calculation - to potential buyers and sellers. 

One of the Puro.earth original signatories, SEB, neutralized the emissions of their Sustainable Finance Summit with CORCs. You can find the success story 
here

 

 

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The Conference of Parties is the supreme decision making body following up on implementing the Paris Agreement. Puro.earth will take part in the Sustainable Innovation Forum sharing experiences from setting up the world's first carbon removal marketplace. If you are there, please contact antti@...

 

 

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