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New paper on water saving benefits of biochsr


 

List:  cc the two corresponding authors in case they have more to add.   (And thanks to the  person supplying this lead, preferring to stay anonymous)

This is a valuable new non-fee biochar paper re water savings:  https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/gcbb.12765
(With considerable good data in the Supplemental - reachable from here also. - no separate ID)

        There is a plug for it also at:    https://phys.org/news/2020-10-biochar-money.html
One sentence there (emphasis added) indicates the paper’s  importance:    "The study co-led by Rice biogeochemist Caroline Masiello and economist Kenneth Medlock provides formulas to help farmers estimate irrigation cost savings from increased water-holding capacity (WHC) with biochar amendment.
[RWL:  The formulas are easy enough)

Maybe others on this list can add to the number of papers they could use - now mostly in the sandy corner of their soil triangle.  They couldn’t use some other potentially useful water saving papers because those didn’t provide all the possibly important explanatory variables.

Below is one view of the data set they used (lots more numbers in the Supplemental).   Anyone able to add points in the clay area?   The authors state that biochar is known to work well there also - but no data yet.   

Ron


CHANDRA SEKHAR PAUL
 

Dear Ron,
As you know clay soil generally retains a high amount of water in comparison to sandy soil. The addition of biochar to the clay soil increases the pores in soil particles. In my point of view, the biochar addition will increase water retention more in clay soil but definitely, it will depend on the biochar feedstocks and pyrolysis temperature. You can go through a research article (attached).

Thanking you,
Paul

On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 1:21 AM Ron Larson <rongretlarson@...> wrote:
List:  cc the two corresponding authors in case they have more to add.   (And thanks to the  person supplying this lead, preferring to stay anonymous)

This is a valuable new non-fee biochar paper re water savings:  https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/gcbb.12765
(With considerable good data in the Supplemental - reachable from here also. - no separate ID)

        There is a plug for it also at:    https://phys.org/news/2020-10-biochar-money.html
One sentence there (emphasis added) indicates the paper’s  importance:    "The study co-led by Rice biogeochemist Caroline Masiello and economist Kenneth Medlock provides formulas to help farmers estimate irrigation cost savings from increased water-holding capacity (WHC) with biochar amendment.
[RWL:  The formulas are easy enough)

Maybe others on this list can add to the number of papers they could use - now mostly in the sandy corner of their soil triangle.  They couldn’t use some other potentially useful water saving papers because those didn’t provide all the possibly important explanatory variables.

Below is one view of the data set they used (lots more numbers in the Supplemental).   Anyone able to add points in the clay area?   The authors state that biochar is known to work well there also - but no data yet.   

Ron


Charles Hegberg
 

Based on some other research, biochar really can’t compete with clay for WHC.  So minimal impact.  However, I agree with biochar depending on particle sizes used to act as more of an aggregate (course sand to gravel) in the clay to increase macropore development. The biggest down side is you need a lot of biochar to begin to change the soil structure in a primarily clay soil.  Could consider a blending of course sand and biochar.  Soils in the top half of the pyramid are classified as Hydrologic Soil Group  (HSG) D which are often found along streams, rivers, floodplains, and wetlands so from an environmental standpoint shouldn’t be impacted anyway. 

 

From: main@Biochar.groups.io <main@Biochar.groups.io> On Behalf Of CHANDRA SEKHAR PAUL
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2020 11:22 AM
To: main@biochar.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Biochar] New paper on water saving benefits of biochsr

 

Dear Ron,

As you know clay soil generally retains a high amount of water in comparison to sandy soil. The addition of biochar to the clay soil increases the pores in soil particles. In my point of view, the biochar addition will increase water retention more in clay soil but definitely, it will depend on the biochar feedstocks and pyrolysis temperature. You can go through a research article (attached).

 

Thanking you,

Paul

 

On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 1:21 AM Ron Larson <rongretlarson@...> wrote:

List:  cc the two corresponding authors in case they have more to add.   (And thanks to the  person supplying this lead, preferring to stay anonymous)

 

This is a valuable new non-fee biochar paper re water savings:  https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/gcbb.12765

(With considerable good data in the Supplemental - reachable from here also. - no separate ID)

 

        There is a plug for it also at:    https://phys.org/news/2020-10-biochar-money.html

One sentence there (emphasis added) indicates the paper’s  importance:    "The study co-led by Rice biogeochemist Caroline Masiello and economist Kenneth Medlock provides formulas to help farmers estimate irrigation cost savings from increased water-holding capacity (WHC) with biochar amendment.

[RWL:  The formulas are easy enough)

 

Maybe others on this list can add to the number of papers they could use - now mostly in the sandy corner of their soil triangle.  They couldn’t use some other potentially useful water saving papers because those didn’t provide all the possibly important explanatory variables.

 

Below is one view of the data set they used (lots more numbers in the Supplemental).   Anyone able to add points in the clay area?   The authors state that biochar is known to work well there also - but no data yet.   

 

Ron

 


David Yarrow
 

biochar and clay have distinctly different water hold strategies.

my impression from field observations is that they complement and need each other.  the idea they compete is an error of insight; they form a partnership that can boost water retention beyond either alone.

biochar retains water in its micropore sponge structure, sucking water in largely thru simple capillary action.  biochar's electric charge sites on its surfaces enhance this capillary action by increasing the forces that pull water inwards, and then hang onto it once inside, but loosely.  

biochar has far fewer electric charges on its surfaces than clay, and thus, the water is not so tightly held.  thus, biochar rather rapidly dries out once exposed to atmosphere or heated.  a pile of biochar will develop a thin dry surface layer, while remaining moist inside.  and being black, char exposed to sunshine & atmosphere will heat up and dry out even faster.

however, biochar inside soil, in full contact with soil particles, will safely retain the water it absorbs into its hollow sponge spaces.

clay forms much more intimate bonds with water molecules.  its thick abundance of negative charge sites grab and hold those water molecules more tenaciously, and assembles water into clay-water complexes – hydrates.  thus, clay will stay wet longer than biochar.  however, clay also absorbs and retains water much more slowly, and clay is slower to allow water to pass thru and percolate deeper into it. 

on the other side, clay resist water absorption, in part because it is so fine, with tightly stacked & packed microplates, and narrow spaces in between.  further, as clay absorbs water and forms its hydrate complexes, it swells up, further reducing those spaces between its tiny particles.  so clay tends to shed water after its surface layer gets wet, and water is slow to penetrate deeply.  fortunately, as clay dries out , it shrinks and opens large cracks that will allow water to rush in deeper.

my impression is if biochar – or many other ultrafine carbon, like humic & fulvic acid – is added to clay, the carbon swarms & surrounds clay's strong electric charges, to isolate & insulate them, reducing their polar attractions and reducing stickiness.  this allows the mass of clay to relax and become more open.  this happens, too, in a different way, with larger pieces of biochar, further loosening, relaxing and opening the clay.  this means water can into penetrate into clay easier, faster, deeper.  so, while biochar slows water movement thru sand, biochar increases water movement thru & into clay.

so, what i like to do it blend biochar and clay together.  usually this means adding fine clay powder to biochar, so the grains of biochar are coated by the dust, and deployed into soil already in an intimate association, ready to work together to manage water and nutrients.  the biochar & clay don't just fall together, they become organized into complex structures that seem to serve functional purposes.  likely stephen joseph et al have research and microscopic views that reveal this structured partnership.

below is my slide for talking about water & biochar:


for a green & peaceful planet,
david yarrow


On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 12:46 PM Charles Hegberg <chegberg@...> wrote:

Based on some other research, biochar really can’t compete with clay for WHC.  So minimal impact.  However, I agree with biochar depending on particle sizes used to act as more of an aggregate (course sand to gravel) in the clay to increase macropore development. The biggest down side is you need a lot of biochar to begin to change the soil structure in a primarily clay soil.  Could consider a blending of course sand and biochar.  Soils in the top half of the pyramid are classified as Hydrologic Soil Group  (HSG) D which are often found along streams, rivers, floodplains, and wetlands so from an environmental standpoint shouldn’t be impacted anyway. 

 

From: main@Biochar.groups.io <main@Biochar.groups.io> On Behalf Of CHANDRA SEKHAR PAUL
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2020 11:22 AM
To: main@biochar.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Biochar] New paper on water saving benefits of biochsr

 

Dear Ron,

As you know clay soil generally retains a high amount of water in comparison to sandy soil. The addition of biochar to the clay soil increases the pores in soil particles. In my point of view, the biochar addition will increase water retention more in clay soil but definitely, it will depend on the biochar feedstocks and pyrolysis temperature. You can go through a research article (attached).

 

Thanking you,

Paul

 

On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 1:21 AM Ron Larson <rongretlarson@...> wrote:

List:  cc the two corresponding authors in case they have more to add.   (And thanks to the  person supplying this lead, preferring to stay anonymous)

 

This is a valuable new non-fee biochar paper re water savings:  https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/gcbb.12765

(With considerable good data in the Supplemental - reachable from here also. - no separate ID)

 

        There is a plug for it also at:    https://phys.org/news/2020-10-biochar-money.html

One sentence there (emphasis added) indicates the paper’s  importance:    "The study co-led by Rice biogeochemist Caroline Masiello and economist Kenneth Medlock provides formulas to help farmers estimate irrigation cost savings from increased water-holding capacity (WHC) with biochar amendment.

[RWL:  The formulas are easy enough)

 

Maybe others on this list can add to the number of papers they could use - now mostly in the sandy corner of their soil triangle.  They couldn’t use some other potentially useful water saving papers because those didn’t provide all the possibly important explanatory variables.

 

Below is one view of the data set they used (lots more numbers in the Supplemental).   Anyone able to add points in the clay area?   The authors state that biochar is known to work well there also - but no data yet.   

 

Ron

 


 

Paul and: list

Thanks for the added paper.

I see the clay in this study is nearly 2/3 clay, 1/3 sand - well above all the other studies in the new paper being discussed.   This paper should be a help to those having a clay soil.  And to all selling char.

Ron



On Oct 21, 2020, at 9:22 AM, CHANDRA SEKHAR PAUL <paulcs2017@...> wrote:

Dear Ron,
As you know clay soil generally retains a high amount of water in comparison to sandy soil. The addition of biochar to the clay soil increases the pores in soil particles. In my point of view, the biochar addition will increase water retention more in clay soil but definitely, it will depend on the biochar feedstocks and pyrolysis temperature. You can go through a research article (attached).

Thanking you,
Paul

On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 1:21 AM Ron Larson <rongretlarson@...> wrote:
List:  cc the two corresponding authors in case they have more to add.   (And thanks to the  person supplying this lead, preferring to stay anonymous)

This is a valuable new non-fee biochar paper re water savings:  https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/gcbb.12765
(With considerable good data in the Supplemental - reachable from here also. - no separate ID)

        There is a plug for it also at:    https://phys.org/news/2020-10-biochar-money.html
One sentence there (emphasis added) indicates the paper’s  importance:    "The study co-led by Rice biogeochemist Caroline Masiello and economist Kenneth Medlock provides formulas to help farmers estimate irrigation cost savings from increased water-holding capacity (WHC) with biochar amendment.
[RWL:  The formulas are easy enough)

Maybe others on this list can add to the number of papers they could use - now mostly in the sandy corner of their soil triangle.  They couldn’t use some other potentially useful water saving papers because those didn’t provide all the possibly important explanatory variables.

Below is one view of the data set they used (lots more numbers in the Supplemental).   Anyone able to add points in the clay area?   The authors state that biochar is known to work well there also - but no data yet.   

Ron

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Rick Wilson
 

Group, I view one of the great values of biochar is that it facilitates the leaching of sodium salts from sodic soils (which contain clay).  

Sodic soils are those where the clay structure has been degraded from sodium salt. 
Sodium (+1) kicks out Magnesium (+2) and Calcium (+2), which causes the air filled porosity of the soil to degrade, making it hard for the microbes to respire. 

Please see the attached Ph.D. thesis from UC Riverside explaining these results. 
Biochar accelerates sodium leaching. Biochar works best in this role when it is accompanied by compost. 
What is interesting is that it is microbiome from the compost that is given credit for much of the benefit.  Sterilize the soil and the benefits diminish. 

I've leached sodic clay soils with this combination of biochar and compost.  Many times. 

Rick Wilson



On Oct 21, 2020, at 9:01 PM, Ron Larson <rongretlarson@...> wrote:

Paul and: list

Thanks for the added paper.

I see the clay in this study is nearly 2/3 clay, 1/3 sand - well above all the other studies in the new paper being discussed.   This paper should be a help to those having a clay soil.  And to all selling char.

Ron



On Oct 21, 2020, at 9:22 AM, CHANDRA SEKHAR PAUL <paulcs2017@...> wrote:

Dear Ron,
As you know clay soil generally retains a high amount of water in comparison to sandy soil. The addition of biochar to the clay soil increases the pores in soil particles. In my point of view, the biochar addition will increase water retention more in clay soil but definitely, it will depend on the biochar feedstocks and pyrolysis temperature. You can go through a research article (attached).

Thanking you,
Paul

On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 1:21 AM Ron Larson <rongretlarson@...> wrote:
List:  cc the two corresponding authors in case they have more to add.   (And thanks to the  person supplying this lead, preferring to stay anonymous)

This is a valuable new non-fee biochar paper re water savings:  https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/gcbb.12765
(With considerable good data in the Supplemental - reachable from here also. - no separate ID)

        There is a plug for it also at:    https://phys.org/news/2020-10-biochar-money.html
One sentence there (emphasis added) indicates the paper’s  importance:    "The study co-led by Rice biogeochemist Caroline Masiello and economist Kenneth Medlock provides formulas to help farmers estimate irrigation cost savings from increased water-holding capacity (WHC) with biochar amendment.
[RWL:  The formulas are easy enough)

Maybe others on this list can add to the number of papers they could use - now mostly in the sandy corner of their soil triangle.  They couldn’t use some other potentially useful water saving papers because those didn’t provide all the possibly important explanatory variables.

Below is one view of the data set they used (lots more numbers in the Supplemental).   Anyone able to add points in the clay area?   The authors state that biochar is known to work well there also - but no data yet.   

Ron

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<Rasa-2018-How-and-why-does-willow-biochar-inc.pdf>